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SG-1 fandom, you are full of stupid. Sam Carter is not a ruined, useless, character because, one time, she had a thing for a male in her vicinity.

Seriously. If you think she spent x number of seasons pining for Jack, shut the fuck up and think about how stupid you sound. (why can't I punch stupid people through the internets?)

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But LYSSIE. EVERYONE knows that the entirety of the SG command spent years pining after Jack's penis. DUH. Sam isn't SPECIAL or anything.

*eyerolls*

It cracks me up when the fandom hates on a female character for liking a man they are OMGINLOVE with! How does that even make sense?!

Also, Vala disapproves of the idea that ~~her girlfriend~~ Sam would be pining over anyone. Clearly, it was the other way around :)

Edited 2011-02-13 23:19 (UTC)

It cracks me up when the fandom hates on a female character for liking a man they are OMGINLOVE with! How does that even make sense?!

Jealousy. No, seriously. Ever seen "Supernatural" fans (well, some of them) talk about the girlfriends/wives of the stars? On some level people who are low enough to make this kind of argument seem to think they would have a chance if "that ______" wasn't in the way.

It would not surprise me to know this applies to FICTIONAL men too.

Why is it always a sign of weakness to one time, like a man? And yet a man liking a woman is totally ok all the time, uh -huh?

Oh fandom. You suck!

Is SG-1 fandom complaining: "OMG, Sam's so useless because she had a thing for Jack!" or is it complaining: "OMG, Sam was pining for Jack, so how dare she have connections or relationships with other men! What a whore!"? I guess I don't need to know - I can mock both sentiments equally.

The former, phrased as "I liked her until she started pining for Jack"

I'm not sure that what I believe doesn't constitute that she spent years pining for Jack. It wasn't necessarily conscious, but she sent Pete off for a reason which wasn't what's-his-name from the FBI, and I'm pretty sure the first twenty minutes of Continuum proves she'd been shacking up with Jack since he'd departed her line of command (even if Universe shows he's back in it now). Does that sound stupid?

(It's okay with me if it does. I'm just looking for a clear definition of terms.)

Because heaven knows nobody in fandom has ever gotten hung up on an unattainable man?

Because the galaxy just kept saving itself while Sam Carter sat around 100% dedicated to her pining? She didn't blow up any suns or anything, she just pined?

Because Jack O'Neill didn't do an equal amount of this "pining" himself?

*sigh*

Even as a Sam/Jack shipper (um, with very specific rules in my head, I'm not one of the "screw the regs" crowd, not that I judge anyone or begrudge them their entertainment either and disclaimer disclaimer) I'm not willing to believe that Carter spent a detrimental amount of energy on this "pining" and she certainly was less affected by it than Jack, who developed said feelings earlier, and put off all other relationships longer.

And as for the word-choice "pining" -- just no. She had feelings, which she handled responsibly given the circumstances. She didn't throw herself at an uninterested party or dedicate her entire life to fretting over her love life at the expense of all else, Bella Swan* style. Jeez.

*Bella Swan is a) a teenager, b) has no significant responsibilities, and c) is a character in a romance, and therefore is allowed to pine all she wants.

Edited 2011-02-14 01:04 (UTC)

Exactly. I'm not going to lie, I like the ship and I really need to dig out the complete series I bought and finished the rest of it. However, even if there was some romantic interest on both parts (which, to me, made for a more interesting dynamic), Sam clearly didn't pine for Jack and it didn't ruin her as a character.

Here, have a screensaver of Carter punching Ba'al in the nose. It'll make you feel better:

http://spiletta.com/downloads/baalsnose.zip

Wait, it's that time of year again? Really? Where's my shotgun?

(why can't I punch stupid people through the internets?)

My friends at Google tell me they're working on that. :P

*waits patiently*

Oh dear. And just in time for the end of

halfamoon, too.

Geez, that slut probably even (gasp) HAD TEH SEXXORZ. With a MAN! That wasn't the one she was pining over!!

I'm highly amused by just How Many Years the same idiotic conversations can continue. And I want to think it's just because it's all new people just arriving in the fandom, but sadly...it's usually the same people.

As you well know, Sam/Jack is my OTP. (Of course, I've also 'shipped Sam with half the rest of the characters.) But I have never thought that loving someone was a sign of weakness, and it has always confused me that people just Freak Out when a female character actually CARES about a man. Um...excuse me? I think loving someone is a good thing in the universe, actually. I don't think it ruins people.

I'm pretty sure Sam didn't stop being awesome, just becuase she fell in love.

Yep, pretty sure.

I don't hear a lot of "I really liked Daniel until he went and fell for Sha're..."

because that would lead to legal proceedings - and you're too fine for that! Also wasting punches!!!

*blinks* How interesting. There must have been another show called SG-1 with a character named Sam Carter and another called Jack but with a completely different plot from the one I saw, because that clearly wasn't what happened in the SG-1 I watched.

I feel your pain. The other day I read something basically saying that up until Pete Sam was nothing more or less than the 'eye candy'.

I decided they weren't worth the effort of replying. I'd rather come play with the people who appreciate her for her awesomeness. :)

Ah, so that means that Jack was a useless idiot pining over Sam all those years, yearning for her, even though he couldn't do anything because of chain of command issues. And then he became a useless man-whore because he slept with another woman, breaking the purity of his love for Sam, whom he should have been pure for Forever! and waited until one of them retired for good. He should have told her to dump Pete and stay true to their doomed forbidden love before she even slept with him! Yes! IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT!

Or something like that.

/snark

I love it how silly the, ahem, "logic" of fandom sounds when you take what they say about female characters and apply it to the male characters. There have been times when I've wanted to wade into the fray when crap like this pops up and call out such junk, but then my fannish blood pressure goes up and I think, Is The Wank Worth It? Usually it's not. It's always so much nicer to just to be snarky on the flist when stupid stuff gets said.

Sam and Jack had plenty of angsty UST - to the point where it nearly got them killed in that episode with the brainwashing and Tok'Ra treaty - it's true. It was lots of fun, even if there were plenty of times I felt like smacking both of them over the head and telling them to get it on, already. After Jack left her immediate chain of command, I like to think they finally did.

why can't I punch stupid people through the internets?

Because if I don't get to, no one does. ;)

you can't, because them computer companies don't like their customers bleeding on the keyboard, no matter how much they deserved it.

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