lyssie | To quote my beloved Rhi...

Does that make Anders David Beckham? Because I don't think I could handle that.

That would be why she's Posh Spice. ;)

SO MANY KINDS OF WRONG.

Yes. how did you think we worked out Kara was Posh?

I AM NOT OK WITH THIS.

I'M SORRY. (but the comparison/analogy totally works)

I thought you liked Anders.

I do. (The only think I know about Beckham is he plays footie, is in the tabloids a lot and is married to a Spice girl...)

THERE IS, OMG, YOU DO NOT KNOW BECKHAM AT ALL. HE IS NOTHING LIKE ANDERS.

BESIDES, HE IS SLEEPING WITH CASILLAS, AND WHO IS CASILLAS?

Ah. They are, how shall I put this, known as the King and Queen (and/or Patron Saints) of Chav Culture.

AHAH.

Like, um... Britney Spears and Kevin Federline, only with more money, more press, and with Beckham having his own career.

LOL! You didn't post any context to this at all! I don't think Kara is Posh Spice, except that it amusing to say that Sam is the Beckham of Pro Pryamid so it is amusing.

I'm sure there is a football player here who could work. *G* Just I don't know any of their names.

MIROSLAV KLOSE. Except that Anders is actually hot.

Oh yes? *G* Thanks! I have no idea who he is. I'll have to look him up. I'm not really into sports at all, but we have been writing a fic where everyone on New Caprica knows who Sam is. So we were just trying to come up with a sports hero example whose wife also gets lots of media attention.

Er. Well, that's not Klose at all. That is more Beckham.

The problem I had with assigning Becks for Anders is that Becks isn't too bright, and not a terribly good leader, both of which Anders is. Beckham is good at what he's good at, which is convincing the world he's a better footie player than he actually is, and bad at everything else. I went with Klose because he is quiet, fair, a good athelete, and well respected. But he's not flashy, so if that's what you're going with -- he's well known in Germany (top scorer of the World Cup, Werder Bremen's pride and joy) but he's not a "household name" anywhere outside of households that follow the Bundesliga. Whereas yes, Becks is known to everyone, even Americans who don't know that "football" is what the rest of the world calls "soccer". And Klose certainly does not have a famous wife. (As far as I'm aware, his wife stays home and raises their kids. They have possibly the most adorable twins on the planet.)

Any of the EPL (English Premire League) players are going to be more famous than players from another league, especially if they play in the Big Four (Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool). The EPL is probably the most widely watched of the leagues, and a lot of people in other countries have loyalty to one of the big four, even though they will also have loyalty to a team in their own league. And the EPL wives and girlfriends tend to be a bit more... in the news than wives from other leagues. It's a British thing.

I might even push you in the direction of John Terry (Chelsea central defender and captain, and new captain of the national team now Becks is out) for Anders, because he might not be the brightest around, but he's not dumb, and he's a good leader. He's very well known to anyone who follows the EPL (and England), and his wife (girlfriend? I don't actually know) isn't famous like Posh Spice, but certainly ends up in the news a bit (mostly for doing things like getting drunk and dancing on tables during the World Cup).

Wow, thanks for giving me so much detail! Klose sounds like a good person for sure-much nicer than what I know of the Beckhams. I honestly only knew Beckham of any of the players at all and that's from the movie, obviously I'm an American. ;>)

LOL, good to know about the EPL wives then. I have seen a few eps of "Footballers Wives", which seems very over the top and silly, but maybe sort of like that?

OOOH! John Terry sounds like a good fit then, because some of the media attention FicAU!Kara brings to famous Sam isn't exactly good. I think she very well might get drunk and dance on tables especially near the end of the story. It is hard to explain, but we've given her a very difficult day to get through, so she will have sort of earned it.

The Germans, as a whole, tend to be calmer and a little less crazy than English players. (Not that the young ones aren't occasionally fabulously idiotic [Schweinsteiger], or that there aren't horrible fracas involving goalies and the national team, where reputations get dragged through the mud and then kicked in the groin [Lehmann and Kahn].) But Britain has a peculiar relationship to its football -- take the US's obsession with American football, baseball, and basketball, and put all of that into one sport, and then concentrate it down into a country the size of New England, and add the British obsessive personality, and you get footie players who have the same kind of reaction to fame as rap stars. Realize that the entire country of 60 million obsessive-compulsive Brits has nothing to talk about except whether Chelsea is going to beat out Man Utd for the title, and you have some idea of the spotlight under which EPL stars live.

The other leagues -- well, possibly not Spain or Italy, but the rest, at least -- are quieter, possibly because their countries have other things to think about. So their footie players tend to be quieter, as well -- the crazy ones go to the EPL, if they can. This tends to be reflected in their personal lives, of course. German wives and girlfriends tend to be quieter (not always -- Kahn's had a few exciting tabloid stories, but he's a bastard) just like the league. British wives and girlfriends, in general, are just as crazy as their footie players, so. "Footballers Wives" (or isn't it "Wive$"?) is maybe a little soapy, "Dream Team" is really soapy, but yes, the wives are insane. It's easy to grasp if you think of the Beckhams as just an extra-concentrated dose of your normal EPL family. Beckham would never have been able to become Beckham in any league other than the EPL. There wouldn't have been enough media attention for him to manipulate.

Anders, by himself, reminds me a lot more of some of the German or Scandinavian players. But if you want to bring Kara into it, yeah, an EPL player is probably better. And Terry's probably the best fit, because while Anders is, I think, smarter than Terry, Terry is a good athlete and a good leader, and has a slightly-embarrassing wife. And while he's not the most famous footie player out there -- not Becks, or Ronaldhino -- I don't think Anders was the most famous pyramid player, I think he was just well-known. And he was captain of a well-known team, right? *remembers S2* Terry is captain of Chelsea, who aren't the most famous (Man Utd), but are very close. I think that is similar to how I see Anders and the... gods, the Caprica Buccaneers, wasn't it? Didn't the Buccaneers just barely win a final against their arch-rivals, or something? That Kara used as a test to see if they were Cylons? Then that's definitely Chelsea and Man Utd.

I've talked a bit. Sorry about that, but (being British), I tend to ramble when it comes to football.

I don't mind, I'm somewhat fascinated, and should... go do the dishes, actually. Sigh.

Oh I don't mind at all! It is very interesting to read, since I know so little about it. I have read Nick Hornby's "Fever Pitch" and I saw the movie, so I have heard of Arsenal and Man Utd, but not Chelsea or any of the other team names I don't think.

I do totally understand what you are saying about how MUCH football is cared about. I think that's why we joked around saying Beckham in the first place-someone everyone who followed the sport or maybe even didn't much at all-would have heard of and recognize at first sight, because that is how famous we want Sam to be for the purposes of the story. Tiger Woods would be another example I can think of that would perhaps work, famous world wide.

I live in a fairly large city with a pro (American) football team that is pretty good. The whole town has "Red Fridays" from Sept to Jan-during the season-and seriously at least 75 percent of the people you see anywhere you go are wearing Chiefs clothing or at least red. On Sunday afternoons when they are playing the whole town just goes dead, because everyone is either at the stadium or at home watching on TV. My dad has been a season ticket holder for years and years and going to the games is very fun.

Actually, I just thought they say that our stadium is the loudest of any in the NFL when they measure the noise level. They always say that at the start, "Welcome to Arrowhead! The loudest stadium in the NFL!" and the crowd just goes beserk. I think it is something like 80,000 people packed in there and it is deafening. I have screamed myself hoarse and at the same time, I can't even hear myself.

However, at the moment, I could hardly name any of our players, because they get traded and move around a lot or so it seems to me when I listen to my dad talking about it. There's only a few that would be totally famous nationwide, I think, more they are known in their cities and divisions.

The most famous player ever in my city would probably be George Brett, who was sort of the leader of our baseball team when they last won the World Series. He is in the Hall of Fame and has a resturant in the trendy part of town and gets recognized everywhere he goes at least ten years after he retired. I have no idea if he gets that sort of reaction in other places though.

I'm toally going to look up some information on Terry now, because he does sound like a good fit. Don't worry though, we aren't trying to write Anders AS a football player, so we won't butcher the details. He's just the most famous Pyramid player or even just person from before the attacks on New Caprica.

I have no idea if his team was supposed to be really good or not. I think Kara says they sucked and Helo said they were good. So, she might have just been mocking Sam in the initial meeting. Yeah, he is the captain and she tested him on the score of a game to prove they were human. I believe the outcome was changed on a call or instant replay time thing. Lyssie would probably know for sure!

Or maybe, hmm, Ronaldhino? Possibly the best football player in the world right now (they say), and certainly a household name. But, Jesus Christ, so unattractive. He looks like a deformed rabbit. Also, I've never heard anything about his wife/girlfriend -- not that that means anything, because I don't pay attention to Brazil or Barcelona (except when they beat Bremen, grrrrr), but it would imply she's not Posh Spice-level of famous.

LOL, oh dear, well Sam's certainly hot, so that might disqualify this guy.

Hmm well Fic!Kara doesn't start out famous, she just ends up that way once she marries Sam.

Thanks again for all your help and suggestions.

Now all Kara has do is name their sons Brooklyn and Romeo.

And Cruz. You forgot Cruz.

The Kara we are writing as Posh-but not really, but sorta?-*G* Has selected William (after the old man, clearly) Samuel for her first boy. That's as far as she's gotten so far, since she's not really wanting kids right now.

LOL I mean who really uses any of those names? What an odd couple-but no worse than Apple or Moon Unit like some other celeb kids I can think of.

There's a celeb kid named Audio Science. Poor Child.

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