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lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2005-05-21 11:29 pm
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SW3

Spoilers.

First, though. OMG. Everyone needs to go see the Mr. and Mrs. Smith movie. It's DOMINO and WADE. But Wade's pretty.


OMG! WAYNE PYGRAM! I squealed like a fangirl. He's on the star destroyer at the end, standing there with the emporer and Vader.

The lack of women in this film? AM I LIVING IN THE 50's???? Seriously, people, the single speaking role a woman had was only to look pretty and say, "I love you, Ani. I'm pregnant with your babies, Ani. Our Love Will Survive, Ani." There is not a single moment where she wasn't All About Anakin. And that's fucking pathetic.

Padme and Anakin - every scene was written by Gail Delaney. Although, according to my roommates, it's always been this bad when it comes to their dialogue. Wow. Mr. Lucas! Stop writing shitty movies and start writing romance novels! Just remember to put one or two other women on your cast.

Furthermore, to all men who might be contemplating having children: Never tell your girlfriend/SO/wife: You being pregnant is the best thing to ever happen to me.

Ever.

Because, really, this means that Padme could've been a hooker from 42nd street.

The plot? We already know how it ends. Titanic has better dialogue.

There was lots of shiny, fights and explosions, and deaths, and three-fourths of it looked like a giant video game, sadly.

All in all, at least decent.

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
YEah, the lack of women made this movie my BIG GAY MOVIE and I love it. And feel kinda dirty about that.

[identity profile] rhi-silverflame.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
*points and squees at slashy icon*

I kept leaning over and going "Oooo, slashy!" to [livejournal.com profile] shadowriter all through the movie. And I feel no shame whatsoever about that.

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 01:04 pm (UTC)(link)
::bounces with gleee::
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
....so.... You hated Sin City, which had women kicking asses and taking names. But you loved Star Wars, which had one woman being a sperm bank and nothing more.

...

*FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
*laura mulveys u*

Ooooh no no no no no NO. It can easily boil down to a clothing issue that I had with the women of Sin City. Dressing fetishistically (not that Padme doesn't but her clothes signify something else) to please the eye of a male audience and a male dominated world (even if you like the clothes and feel empowered by them) is infuriating to me because you're dressing like that for purely sexual reasons -- mainly to please/distract the male. From a pure audience standpoint, it's to please the male audience and make the women in the audience feel self conscious or jealous.

And just because you kick ass and take names doesn't mean I'm gonna connect with your character. While I admire the women prostitutes owning their own district and living their rules -- ... in the end the film is just not a satisfying experience for me because I feel, as a woman living alone in a big city, victimized along with the victimzied women in the movie and thoroughly unconnected to the women who aren't because my way of countering patriachal culture is a whole lot more boring than their way.

Star Wars is also an entirely different kettle of fish because it's baby's first fandom, I'm forced to love it (yes, like an abused wife) no matter what because I both choose to and have loved SW since I was wee. So even if it gives me no strong female characters, I'll LIVE because I like the male characters. It's like Spider-Man --- I love those movies but I HATE Mary Jane... A LOT.

You have a comic book background and I believe you like the Sin City comics, nes pas? If so, of COURSE you're going to love Sin City and DUDE, *does not point fingers and try to convert, omg*. Like the film! I beg of you!

But going to back to what we have with Padme -- yes, she herself is fetishized and victimized... but it's part of the tragedy of the film's sotyr, not the focus of the storyline. And I don't connect with her really that much which is why I've suddenly become a rabid SW slasher... which blows my mind completely... so...

OH! There was a very strong female jedi in the CLone Wars cartoon that was heading the rescue mission of Palpatine and she was really nifty... even though she ultimately failed and Grievious nabs Palpatine from her.

For some reason, the lack of a Trinity or even a Sam in EpIII doesn't bother me the way it bothers me in other films and franchises... I'll figure that out sooner or later.

... and... *RASPBERRIES YOU*
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Re: *FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
...

Nope. Still don't get it.

I find Padme's being nothing but a sperm bank much more mysoginistic than the clothing in Sin City.

Re: *FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
*pets you* Yay for agreeing to disagree.


Sin City makes me sick to my stomach. It's a personal thing, I'm not yet objective enough to discuss this. kthxbai.
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Re: *FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, does this mean the feminists love Star Wars? Because if they do, wow. Um. Yeah. Good to know that the only role a woman should have is to keep her boyfriend happy, and have his babies, and die for his love and stupid shit like that.

Re: *FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
There are some feminists who love Star Wars for Leia, who was very instrumental and important and wonderful, and for some of the EU characters that are nifty and fun. Most of the feminist film theory I've read on SW only deals with Leia and I read some stuff on the 'net before the prequels came out on the EU. Post-prequels, I've not read much and of course the way they handled Padme is similar to how they handled Arwen in LOTR -- starting off with a tough strong lady with a good deal of power to just the prize at the end (Arwen) and the crying pregnant chick (Padme). The way sf film has been going is steadily downhill where women are concerned... Trinity was really an exception -- and even then I have to be objective and say she kinda isn't in that she got fucked in one film and killed in another.
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Re: *FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I wasn't touching the original trio. Just this one. Hrm. I should go see F_rants, and see if they're ranting about it. If not, I will be very sad...

Re: *FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmmm, yay, I have a "what females were in the prequels" rant to come because, yes, I am peeved as hell over this. ESPECIALLY that there was apparently this AWESOME scene filmed between Padme and MON MOTHMA and some other female and they were PLOTTING THE REBELLION, omfgwtf. Dude, why cut that?! ::hates:: We know they filmed it as we have PIKTURZ.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
*tries one last time before giving up and sulking*

I feel even more cheated, because one of the things I was watching WAS for the Beginning of the Rebellion.!

They should'a kept it.

*sulks*

Re: *FLAMZ U*

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-05-22 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially as they did ALL that sekrit press that Mon Mothma was in it.