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lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2005-03-24 01:56 am
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Fic Challenge

Timey and I came up with this idea ages agao, and both... kinda forgot about it.

Here's the deal: You take an album. Any album.

You write a fic, using each song in sequential order as inspiration for a scene. The scenes have to fit into a single fic. You can't just do a bunch of drabbles.

The freedom? Any fandom. Any album.

Don't think there were any other requirements, iirc.

Also: Go sign up for this http://www.livejournal.com/users/kerravonsen/96785.html

[identity profile] redstarrobot.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
I'm afraid I'm taking an ethical stand against signing up for the Multi-Fandom Lyrics ficathon. I think it's entirely fair that the coordinator's religious beliefs against homosexuality are reflected in the ficathon rules, because she's running it, but I feel that, rather than join a ficathon that endorses things counter to what I believe, I need to decline in order to reflect my beliefs about non-discrimination and equality and stuff like that.

[identity profile] astrogirl2.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
I considered that, because I disagree very strongly with her on the moral issue, but after going round and round internally debating the ethics of the matter I decided, essentially, a) that I was overthinking things and b) that it would better embody my own moral beliefs to demonstrate that it is possible to work and play with people whose attitudes and religious beliefs differ fundamentally from my own than to boycott them.

I also feel kinda bad for [livejournal.com profile] kerravonsen. She takes a lot of flak for her stance on slash, and maybe a lot of it is justified, but I've seen her lay out her opinions on the subject, and the truth is that her attitude is a hell of a lot better and more tolerant than pretty much any Christian I've ever met who espouses that particular belief about homosexuality. I've never, ever seen her go around telling people they're bad or evil for writing slash, just that her religion tells her homosexual activity is wrong that that she can't for that reason put herself in a position where she feels like she's promoting it. I can respect that. I disagree with it enough that it makes my teeth clench, but my own sense of morality involves tolerance for other people's beliefs as long as they're not hurting other people, and I do believe that her stance qualifies. And, given that particular Christian belief system isn't going to go away just because I wish it would, I do think it's a good thing to support and encourage those people who at least are going to practice it tolerantly.

(Of course, all of that might just be self-justification because I really do want to do that particular fic challenge. :) But I don't think so.)

[identity profile] redstarrobot.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, absolutely - I do respect her right to take that view and her concerns about promoting homosexuality against her religious beliefs, and I have a lot of respect for her being so kind to others in that situation. She's shown herself to be nothing but a lovely person with strong beliefs. And, as I say, I totally support her right to set up the ficathon rules like that. She's trying to please a lot of people and follow her beliefs, and she's doing it with a lot of class, which I respect. A "live and let live" attitude is a wonderful thing to encourage on both sides.

But I don't want to feel like I'm endorsing a view I disagree with so strongly, just as she finds herself unable to endorse homosexuality by allowing it in the ficathon. And from my point of view, the tolerant action on my part is to support her ficathon rules, which I do, while joining would be an endorsement of them.

I may be overthinking it, for the sake of writing a story. It's not even a practical concern - I neither write nor read slash, or anything terribly explicit, for the most part. But, just on general principle, while I'll support the right of private clubs, schools, groups to exclude homosexuality (or anything else) on the basis of religious beliefs, I don't want to be part of a group that does. That's where I see crossing a line between tolerance and advocacy.

[identity profile] astrogirl2.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
All of which sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I suppose the main reason I ultimately came down on the other side of the question is that I don't see it in this particular case as implying advocacy.

[identity profile] redstarrobot.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
And, as I say, it may be overthinking it for fiction - after all, it was only a prohibition against non-canon homosexuality in characters, not against homosexual participants or anything more "real life", so no one's being hurt by it. But it's a clause in the rules that's solely motivated by the view that homosexuality is wrong and so shouldn't be depicted or endorsed (and possibly that ascribing homosexual behavior to characters who don't canonically display it is defamatory towards the characters). And I just can't really sit down and say, "Okay, that sounds fine to me, where do I sign up..."
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 11:01 am (UTC)(link)
....

ok. Fair enough.

(I shudder to think what'll happen if she reads my lj. It's been hetsex, femslash, slash, and more femslash and hetsex most of the last week...)

[identity profile] astrogirl2.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Based on her past behavior, I'd say she'd probably note the warnings on your fic, hit the "back" button, and not make an issue out of it.

[identity profile] redstarrobot.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know her well, but she does truly seem to be a lovely person who is happy to let people do their thing in their own playgrounds. I just have difficulty with her playground rules, is all, although I'm very happy to let her do her thing in her own playground, too. :)

[identity profile] mylittleredgirl.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. I came up with that challenge eons ago too... and then forgot about it. But I'm pretty sure I still remember what album I wanted to use...
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Great minds think alike, then. (seriously, though, this was like in the car... Possibly on the way back from Wizard World last year. We have strange conversations in the car....)

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm up for all these ficathons. *is sluttish* Man oh man. But I want to make it porny damnit. What's the use of writing fic without giving characters orgasms?
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
*snickers*

Well, you can write porn with the album challenge.

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh...so I can do the album challenge too? Gimme a due date.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
... The album challenge actually has nothing to do with the other challenge, they just ended getting mentioned in the same post...

Hrm. Two weeks? A month?
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-24 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
April 9th.

Happy?