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lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2012-05-04 04:50 pm
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Eureka season 5, episodes 1-3

I really should sit down and try to have some coherent thoughts on this.

Things I enjoyed:
1. Allison getting some good, meaty emotional stuff (even if it was a fake world). It was nice to see her pulling out all the stops. (and they did some nice stuff with her and Jo in the fake world, and her kids, and I appreciate that they didn't try to gloss it over)
2. That it seemed to be Allison, Holly and Grace who were going to save the day (and also did a lot of the saving and stuff in episodes one and two).
3. Zane is pretty. I can't help it.
4. Henry continuing to be intelligent and thinking outside the box, and trusting Beverly.
5. Jo on her walkabout! She is amazing, and I really hope we'll get more of her running off by herself. And, y'know, having a plotline that isn't about who she's screwing. Also, Jo returning and getting Jack and Andy out of jail. Because she is that awesome.
6. JO SAVING THE DAY AT THE END WITH HER INSANE FLYING SKILLS.

Things I was ... meh on:
1. Jo and Jack as lovers. OH GOD NO. Seriously, it's, ugh. I also find it really iffy and a bit sexist that, of course, Jo drops her clothes at some point so he sees her naked.
2. NPC!Henry menacing Grace.
3. Beverly saving the day. While I don't think she'd ever been into killing people (at least not brilliant ones), I am sort of a little "really? That's how fast she goes running to Jack?" about it. Although I appreciate her solution for Senator Wen (though, srsly, a senator disappears, and no one goes looking? On what planet?). (also, to be shallow, she was very hot)
4. Senator Wen being the Bad Guy. Erm. ok.
5. I figured out it was fake!world from the episode description. Highly predictable, and I wish they'd just done something different or less obvious.

Things I was angry about:
1. Jo finally gets a plotline all about her, and not her nether regions, and IMMEDIATELY we return from break and she's dating Jack? oh, wait, it's a fake-out. She's... back and maybe will sleep with Zane again. So. Two scenes in one episode were about this other plotline, and now that's out the window. Great.
2. Jack will never die. Nor will Fargo. Every time either is threatened, you can ignore it.
3. The death of Holly Martin. I am fucking pissed about this, as it's obvious it was only so that Fargo could have some 'character growth'. For fuck's sake, that end scene in 5.3 is two dudes mourning the death of a woman. I AM SO TIRED OF THIS PLOT. SO FUCKING TIRED. And there was NO reason for it. None.

Oh, wait. There was. Because you can't kill Zane, Fargo or Jack, and killing a red-shirt wouldn't have emotionally resonated with people. And besides, Holly's only purpose was to be Fargo's trophy in his ongoing game of egos with that dude Wheaton plays.

So, on the whole, while I appreciate that the show has multiple women, who sometimes talk to each other (and that was the end of Holly, wasn't it? She was talking to Allison and Grace, and three women conversing is the death knell of at least one of them--so Stargate has taught me), and occasionally gives them plots that aren't about who they're sleeping with, it still views them as lesser to the male characters.

Because no one would watch Eureka if Jack or Fargo were dead, amiright?

[identity profile] wishfulaces.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Jack's kinda been annoying me for the last couple seasons...the character's just gotten smug and routine. He was more fun in the beginning.

(Also, the Jack/Jo storyline? ARGH. Though I do appreciate the way the actors have acted it physically; of course Zane immediately picked up on it in that one scene where Jo was worried about Jack being hurt. Still. ARGH. I enjoyed them a lot more as friends who hung out drinking beer at Jack's house.)
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
He was. Sadly.

[identity profile] mfirefly10.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
I...pretty much agree with all of this? I mean, I didn't mind the Jack/Jo (though I've never/will never ship it) at least until the nudity bit. Like, did we really need that crap? No.

Holly's death was SO stupid. I hated that her only purpose last season was to fuel the tension between Fargo and...Parish, I want to say? BUT SHE WAS ALIVE, at least. Felicia Day is adorable and I'll miss her face.

I still like Jack but I do think it's ridiculous that the show constantly puts him in danger when we know nothing will ever happen to him. But I could say the same about Fargo and Allison and Jo and Zane and Henry, as well. IDK...it's all very anti-climactic.

But I loved all the Allison stuff and the ladies interacting and Jo being the most awesome person to ever exist in this town full of awesome people. And I liked seeing Beverly and Wen again, even if Beverly's instant side-switching and Wen being the Big Bad were both hard to swallow.

I guess I was kind of 'meh' on these 3 episodes? I didn't hate them, but I think they were mostly pointless? All they seemingly did was explain Beverly's plan from last season and get rid of Wen. Who was Ming Na so even if she was evil, I would've liked for her to stick around. Hopefully the rest of the season is better...
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
There were parts I enjoyed, and I really should stop expecting much from Eureka these days (like Sanctuary, it only pays lip service to the idea that women should get something to do).

[identity profile] jemster.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
Why did they have to kill Holly? If you're going to kill a female character how about Henry's wife? I like the character but Holly is cooler. :-(
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
Fridging Henry's second girlfriend would have made me even angrier. Probably enough to ragequit the show.

[identity profile] jemster.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Why? She wasn't even in the original reality to begin with. In fact, they've stopped trying to find out what happened and get back to the place they're supposed to be.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Killing off yet ANOTHER woman of color (who is actually an interesting and fun character) doesn't strike you as a bad idea?

Why kill off a woman anyway? Oh, right. Because women are more expendable than precious male characters (who are, for the record, boring as hell, AND a dime a dozen on this show).

Or are you one of those people who doesn't understand why more women (and more women of color, who should ideally have roles that aren't just 'sassy best friend') should have roles on television?

[identity profile] jemster.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
THAT right there shows you how much you DON'T know me! It has nothing to do with being a woman. It has everything to do with a character that is NOT supposed to be there in the first place.

[identity profile] miera-c.livejournal.com 2012-05-08 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Holly Martin wasn't in the original reality either.

[identity profile] jemster.livejournal.com 2012-05-15 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
Crap. Just saw this comment. She wasn't? Damn. My bad. :-( I thought she appeared in the original reality, but looking over the episode guide I see that she wasn't. Well, she still could have been employed by GD which houses like a gadzillion super scientists but we never saw her or Parrish (now HE'S a character that I wouldn't have minded to see implode) until they appeared after the timeline was changed (Holly could have been the janitor for all we knew and then in the AR she was a scientist). I don't know...I guess I'm rambling. My point is IMO all the people who weren't in the original timeline are fair game, male or female. As far as Jack goes...he dies and you have no series. Period. Let's forget that the series is already canceled, alright? :-) Fargo, on the other hand, can get lost in section 5 and never come back as far as I'm concerned.

[identity profile] miera-c.livejournal.com 2012-05-16 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
My point is IMO all the people who weren't in the original timeline are fair game, male or female

Which still rules out Grace, since she was in the original timeline. She shows up briefly at the start of "Founder's Day" and helps Henry fix the car. He knows of her but doesn't know her well.

I'm with Lyssie on this. If they'd killed off yet another female character of color, especially one married to Henry, I would've stopped watching entirely. It's bad enough that they did it once.

[identity profile] rosewildeirish.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
3. The death of Holly Martin. I am fucking pissed about this, as it's obvious it was only so that Fargo could have some 'character growth'. For fuck's sake, that end scene in 5.3 is two dudes mourning the death of a woman. I AM SO TIRED OF THIS PLOT. SO FUCKING TIRED. And there was NO reason for it. None.

Oh, wait. There was. Because you can't kill Zane, Fargo or Jack, and killing a red-shirt wouldn't have emotionally resonated with people. And besides, Holly's only purpose was to be Fargo's trophy in his ongoing game of egos with that dude Wheaton plays.


Hm. I figured it was due to Felicia Day being overbooked and not able to commit to the show for another season. I kind of have issues with the character in general - it's clearing playing to type for her, and centered far too much around who she was dating. But there were awesome portions of her character too....hence, issues.

Jack/Jo was creepy. And I think (I hope!) it was designed to be. They just aren't meant as a romantic couple. Too different for that, but awesome friends/team.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-05-05 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Overbooked didn't require them to murder her so Fargo and Beverly could have character development.

[identity profile] ellestra.livejournal.com 2012-05-06 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Holly was an obvious choice as she was long enough on the show to not be a nameless victim no one cares about and at the same time she had the least time on the show (there was no way they kill any of the others) but the whole thing was so painfully obvious way to put drama and advance plotlines of other characters I was left feeling rage. I was all why not Zane (even though every time Niall smiles my mind skips a little) but then I remembered Jo and I want Jo happy (stop having Universe piling crap on her). So why not Fargo - that would have a large emotional impact on everyone (and Neil still be voicing SARAH).

Jack/Jo was creepy but so were both NPC!Jack and NPC!Jo so they did fit well together. The thing I liked about it was how the show concentratet on the impact on Allison not Zane. Generally, the best thing about the VR plot was having more Allison. And Grace.

Jo being Big Damn Hero and kicking ass always makes me feel better.

I also really liked Allison and Grace storylines and I liked Beverly being kind of awesome in latest episode. This is good because guys were all kinds of boring.
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[personal profile] havocthecat 2012-05-09 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
They killed Holly? Ugh, is there even a point to me catching up on this season?
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-05-09 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it probably is? Eureka is one of the few shows I know of that actually manages to let the women of color have actual conversations. There's quite a bit of fail, too. But there's also Allison and Grace and Jo all conversing at one time or another.