lyssie: (Dee says stfu bitch)
lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2009-06-10 08:19 pm

*cracks knuckles* Warning for rantiness and hyperbole

First, since I was recently told that I should never be offended by something that wasn't aimed at me, I'd like to say thank you. Really.

Second, IT IS THAT TIME AGAIN. Where I warn you that, shockingly, I am that annoying fangirl feminist type that thinks ruining your squee is fun. Sometimes, I even daydream it (like, frell, I had the whole day to think up this post, you guys.)

Third. Anastasia Dualla is more awesome than you and God, too.

Wait. That wasn't actually what I wanted to say, but that is pertinent to life, anyway.

Ahem. Because this apparently needs saying again (dude, two years, and you'd think the Kara/Sam people wouldn't pick up bad habits from the crazy Kara/Lee people [I SAID THE CRAZY ONES, not the nice, sane ones]). Anastasia Dualla is not stupid, weak, or a horrible example to women everywhere for giving Lee Adama a second chance (or for wanting to save her marriage).

Yes, I know. The rant I linked to is more geared towards knocking down the Sam Anders bashing arguments, but given that Dee and Sam are in the same position, it applies to both.

You can make the argument that Dee and Lee started their marriage on a lie, except, um, with that deleted scene, no it didn't.

You can make the argument that Lee never loved Dee, and I'll counter with "perception is in the eye of the beholder" because as far as I'm concerned Lee DID love her (we got nowhere near the development for them we got for Kara and Sam, which is sad. BUT NONE of the quadodoom got a lot of development outside of longing glances and ridiculous retcons).

You can make the argument that Kara was always honest with Sam, but Lee was never honest with Dee, and I will laugh in your face. Because, BULLSHIT. We know NOTHING but conjecture about their marriages.

What we do know?

Kara likes calling Sam for sex.
Lee hides in bars.
Dee calls him on his bullshit.
Sam sometimes calls Kara on hers, though less once he's a Cylon.

I would have more, but clearly, I'm hungry. ALSO. THERE IS GOING TO BE A SAM MINI-MATE. THERE IS A GOD.

In closing: there is a sexist double-standard in this fandom: Sam gets a free pass because he looooves Kara sooooooo much. And she loves him! So it's totally ok for him to forgive her and take her back. But Dee? Totally weak and stupid (and other words I would like to punch people for).

ALSO. Because it bears repeating: MARRIAGE IS NOT A FREE PASS TO HAPPY BUNNY LAND. Real marriages TAKE WORK. And shouldering that burden and trying to make it work? IS FAR STRONGER than just walking away. Not to mention, you can be 100% compatible and STILL FAIL at it.

(pls insert your own hyperbolic curse words as needed, I need pizza. *nom*)

[identity profile] frolicndetour.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Are you telling me I can't be disgusted with Lee for when he was all "just your insecurities, Dee! Ever since the day I proposed! And I can't feel superior to hardcore Lee fans when they go on about how he's so much more moral and upright than Kara and he never really wronged Dee or anyone else, never? BECAUSE I NEED MY FEELINGS OF SUPERIORITY, LYSSIE!

But yeah, I never happened to ship Lee/Dee, but that doesn't mean Dee sucks as a character. (And I do think Lee loved her.) Even if she was in a horrible, retconned Cally/Chief like marriage, that still doesn't make her a horrible character. It just makes her a character who didn't lead a charmed life.
ext_18106: (Kara smirks at Kat)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
Nah. Lee was still a dick. But so was Kara. *flees*

(*noms pizza*)

Well, it wasn't even all retcon. There's the horrible fatsuit bit which, just, I ignore, because srsly? Losing all that weight in five minutes? So not on.

*noms pizza s'more and dodges the cat's glares*

[identity profile] frolicndetour.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Kara was totally a dick, just in a different way. (And one that I happen to find more sympathetic. *hopelessly biased fangirl*)

But yeah, Lee/Dee and Kara/Sam were both supposed to be "sham marriages," so if K/S shippers are bashing Dee on those grounds, um. (And if Dee had been a Cylon instead of Sam, she and Lee would be climbing mountains together, I'll bet anything.)
ext_18106: (Callandra Tyrol pwns everyone)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
*pokes through her icons, trying to find more smirks* (what, this is IMPORTANT, to the chain, here) AH.

Well, yes. For one thing, she is our girl. For another, she's not... as... um... high-minded as Lee.

Not bashing, entirely. Just saying she's weak, which, no. NO.

HEY. No giving away plotbunnies, YOU.

[identity profile] frolicndetour.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
*pokes through her icons, trying to find more smirks*

G.I.C.
ext_18106: (Kara and Sam are in loooooooove)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
*shakes fist* 500 words, Allie.

[identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
He wouldn't have been able to lose it that fast without Helo's amazing spotting and coaching skillz.
ext_18106: (Helo)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
That explains it. Someone needs to clone Helo.... (wait...)

[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
No can do. His ancestor/descendant/clonethingy has been co-opted by the Dollhouse. *randomly crosses fandoms like whoa* ; )
ext_18106: (Default)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, if he's cloned, there are many copies.

[identity profile] kurukami.livejournal.com 2009-06-11 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
Probably, but too many would cause the fabric of the multiverse to implode from sheer envy. ; )