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Because I can only stare at my desktop so long...
For your insanity, more S/J batshittery.
Alright, I'll give them credit. It was funny. Some of
the time. BUT, I felt the ending was so distastefully
done, with all the profanity from the fake cast of
SG-1, and just a waste of camera time that could have
been spent doing something else. The fake Teal'c thing
reminded me of the monologe that Jerry Springer gives
at the end of his nonsense shows to wrap everything
up. Do they want us as fans to put this episode into
the same category?
I don't know, I understood most of the inside jokes,
but it wasn't one of my favorites. They should have
based it off of Citizen Joe, rather than Wormhole
X-treme. And for RDA, well, I'm getting sick of the
cameo appearances. I want him to either interact with
the cast, (origional SG-1, even if it's not S/J ship,
their banter with one another is funny and greatly
missed) or just stay away. It's not worth getting all
riled up for nothing. Which what his past apperances
have been in S9 and S10. Nothing special.
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someone replying to someone
first off, even though i've been complaining about
things, i still loved the wedding scene. :D
(i'll explain more below)
>
> And there were some cute bits about Mitchell's
> inadequacies--"The
> character is based on Jack O'Neill, not you>" LOL.
YES! i absolutely loved how mitchell was handled in
this ep! interloper indeed! *g*
>
> I liked "200"--and I liked the fact that each
> senario was *very*
> short. I'd have liked more of the wedding and less
> of the puppets,
> but some sequences that I was worried about--like
> "The Wizard of Oz"
> zipped by with just the right amount of attention.
i was worried about the wizard of oz and farscape
scenarios too. with wizard, i was afraid it would be
glaringly obvious that sam and jack were missing, but
because it was vala's idea, it worked. (and sam, at
least, was in there, and not negatively)
with farscape (which is a show i'm slightly familiar
with), i was afraid of john/aeryn(sp?) ship being
highlighted over any s/j somewhere in the ep. not only
was it barely touched, amanda's blue woman/white
haired character was acted great! (go amanda!).
>
> What *I* saw was a sweet acknowledgement
> that if there was
> going to be a wedding, it would be between Sam and
> Jack. I saw a
> sweet scene with a nervous Jack and some Great
> dialog
yes! while it wasn't exactly what i wanted, at least
it wasn't dumped on like i was afraid would happen.
the one thing i would have changed would have been for
sam's hair to not have been long. i'm not sure what
the reasons were for that (either to purposely deprive
the shippers of a 'real' feel to the wedding, or they
were hinting at a 'future' idea which would take place
a bit in the future where sam's hair might be long).
whatever the reasons, i'm still happy with what we
got.
>
>
>
> And then AFTER the wedding fantasy, Sam and Jack
> just look at each
> other like they're sharing a secret.
now *there* was my most feared moment! i was soooo
afraid that either sam and/or jack's reactions would
have been 'ick!' or a complete indifference. while i
sometimes have trouble reading rda's expressions, i
could clearly see that sam was pleased by the idea. :D
as long as neither one rejected the idea, the soup is
still simmering on the stove of luv. :p
> When I heard about the wedding scene in "200," my
> biggest fear was
> that when it was over we'd see all the characters
> react with
> disbelief or disgust. But that didn't happen.
like i said above, i was GREATLY relieved!!
> It was the slash that was made fun of with Daniel's
> worrying that if
> Sam didn't show up soon, the congregation would
> think he and Jack
> were getting married. Jack's reaction? Total
> bewilderment. LOL.
after reading some antis'/slashers reactions to the
scene, i was afraid the slash would be given
precedence over the ship (don't take two hunky men and
ship them *together* please!). but with jack's
bewilderment, it totally saved that implication!! :D
so another thing i was relieved about. (jeez, who
would have thought what they 'didn't' put in would
give me more satisfaction than what they did? :p)
>
> And, to repeat, when the scene was over, there
> wasn't the outright
> rejection that we saw with the other senarios.
> Instead there were
> deliberate cuts to Sam and Jack.
totally noticed that!! :D :D
*takes a moment to squee*
and that great invisible jack spying on sam in the
shower bit! :D
*more squeeing*
>
> In an episode that was supposed to be a series of
> parodies of
> ridiculous ideas, I think S/J ship came out very
> well. It came out
> verified and accepted. That was more than *I*
> expected.
>
>
yep and yep again!
so i guess i'm more happy than i thought. :p
(still upset about the 'best kisser' stuff from amanda
:( )
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someone's reply to one of the sane commentors
We are all entitled to our opinions. Sorry that yours disagrees with
ours, but that's just the way it is sometimes. I think it's a little
arrogant to get "pissed off" because other folks dare to differ. But
then that's just my opinion.
=-
> Really, if you think about it, how could you not
> have had more fun filming that scene in Sam's
> hallway with Pete than the chaste kisses she and
> Jack have shared? I bet it was a lot of fun!
>
>
>
one word, - 'grace'.
was that a dull/boring kiss?
ppl make choices on how they're going to address
things. and while i don't want someone kissing my
butt, i also don't want them kicking it.
also, let's *please* not turn this into the quasi
sam/pete shipper thread. please.
=-
And, our favorite batshit-unable-to-capitalize-shipper is back, replying to one of the sane people noting that AT DOES NOT EQUAL Sam
see, i don't really think amanda thinks that little
twit is the better kisser. heck, even the anti s/j
shippers i hang out with on the 'sam thread' at
gateworld think his character was not only an id, but
miscast. i think amanda was pissed that fans didn't
take to pete and the sam/pete storyline, and i think
she won't let go of it.
do i 'really' believe ddl is a better kisser than rda?
no way, no you've-got-to-be-kidding-me how.
i also think it ties into amanda prob being tired of
the s/j angle. and while i ADORE amanda, i'm tired of
hearing about it, and tired of having my fun dampened
by it.
i love amanda, but i'm tired of hearing this. for 10
years now.
=-
i didn't watch the special, so i don't know how it was
asked. i also don't know amanda's exact wording in
answering it. here's how *i* would have answered it...
'while i think rick is a great kisser, i enjoyed
david's kisses more because of the context of the
sitation. it was just a more passionate and powerful
situation for sam. but while i enjoyed my kisses with
david, i think rick is the better kisser.'
she's still acknowledging david (and the storyline she
liked), but also still acknowledging rda in a more
positive light. (and while some shippers would have
still been upset, i bet the majority of them would
have been happy with the rda-winner outcome). just my
opinion.
=-
***I agree, Sally, especially about the 'little twit' comment.
I think AT won't stop talking about DDL and Shanahan because she
herself very actively and vehemently supported and pushed forward the
Sam/Shanahan thing and was angry at fans because they didn't like it,
like Shanahan and like the way Sam was when she was with Shanahan
(careless and completely didn't care how any of her actions would hurt
Jack, she'd moved on and didn't hesitate to show to Jack that she
didn't need, want or care about him anymore. The way she reacted to
Kerry was very self-centered, selfish, arrogant and completely out of
her rights considering that she had always made the decisions as to
how her relationship with Jack would look like and that she had left
him behind and chose a younger model over him.).
At some point AT seems to have decided that she despises or hates the
idea of Jack with Sam and started actively working against it becoming
true. She doesn't want Sam to be "Jack's girl" (what a load of
bullshit), but she didn't mind Sam becoming "Shanahan's girl".
I think that the only reason why Sam didn't marry Shanahan in the end
is because RDA didn't let them do that, otherwise AT would've probably
forced it to happen.
And because she's pissed that fans didn't like her idea and her pet
project, she now throws Shanahan in our face at every opportunity or
tries to belittle the bond that J&S once had with comments like "now
they can have a little fun", have one hot night of sex and then move
on,...
Seriously, who would ever expect Jack to be satisfied with one night
after having pined for Sam for the last 9 seasons? The man is in his
50's, is a mature man who wants to settle down, is too mature for one
night stands and casual sex, he knows how good a marriage and
fatherhood can be and definitely doesn't want to die alone, like he
did in 2010 (one of the eps I have most hated. Wonder if AT had
anything to do with Sam getting so cuddly with Joe in 2001 and
marrying him in 2010?).
Can anyone even imagine Jack, after pining for Sam for so long and
knowing how good a marriage can be, to just be satisfied with one
night of sex and then spend the rest of his life alone, with only
memories of that one night to fuel his dreams? Get real.
Jack would want everything with Sam, but AT obviously doesn't want
that for Sam.
After reading some of her statements and interviews I think someone of
the TPTB should forbid her giving interviews about the show and Sam.
She doesn't do anything but rile up fans and stir trouble. Whether she
does it intentionally or not, I don't know, but the end result is
always the same. And perhaps they should even limit her role in the
decision making regarding Sam's development and "life".
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OH THANK GOD SOME SANITY. I was beginning to worry.
Wow, you didn't even watch it and you're casting judgment on what she said
anyway? I'm not sure how to respond to that, except that it makes you look
pretty silly.
We in the audience didn't hear the question. There was a title splashed
across the screen about kisses while they were going through everyone's
favorite villains, weapons, stuff like that. Amanda looked uncomfortable
for a minute and gave an answer which I thought was very honest. She said
that RDA's a great kisser and that those scenes were fun, but she preferred
David Deluise because of the context. It wasn't random fantasy kissing, it
was real stuff. That's not portraying RDA in a negative light, that's just
talking about the plots and context.
In fact, she said almost exactly what you imagined in that paragraph, except
for the last sentence. She was talking about it in a professional sense and
her answer obviously wasn't out to please a bunch of shippers *or* thumb her
nose at them. She was respectful to everyone involved, and I honestly can't
figure out why you're so up in arms about this.
As for the shippers being happier if she'd said RDA was a better kisser...
I'm not sure most of the people who are upset about this would be happy
unless TPTB spoke to each of them personally to acknowledge that Pete was a
huge mistake and that Jack is Sam's one and only true love. And then did an
entire episode about them getting married and having babies. But that's
just my opinion.
And as for your earlier little snipe about this becoming a pro-Sam/Pete
thread, I disliked Pete a lot. I just dislike irrational arguments like
this too.
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Random Jaka commentary on Jack... apparently, Jaka might be a liiiittle gay.
Jaka: ***I think that RDA's age is finally starting to show
on his body.
Plus the fact that while he was still playing a field
officer Jack, he got regular exercise, keeping him in
shape.
That exercise wasn't needed when he became a General
which is why he was a little fuller then and now that
he retired from the show completely and it's a
question whether he still exercises, no wonder he got
beaten by his age and not-active life style.
=-
And then there's a tl; dr of someone saying maybe Jack had a Special Moment planned for Sam on the other side of the gate.
=-
More from our second-best-batshipper
and this is why i stopped participating on this list.
i like to 'debate', not argue (or be called names)
with my fellow shippers.
a friend of mine was watching this special and sending
me notes on how it was going. when amanda got to that
part about the kissing stuff, my friend was very
upset. i totally agree with her judgement, so i
believed her and decided not to watch the special. if
i had, and had *seen* the chimera scenes too, i would
have went into the '200' ep angry and upset. just like
i went into 'new order' after some of the same stuff
was shown/talked about before the ep in a special.
>
> We in the audience didn't hear the question. There
> was a title splashed
> across the screen about kisses while they were going
> through everyone's
> favorite villains, weapons, stuff like that. Amanda
> looked uncomfortable
> for a minute and gave an answer which I thought was
> very honest. She said
> that RDA's a great kisser and that those scenes were
> fun, but she preferred
> David Deluise because of the context. It wasn't
> random fantasy kissing, it
> was real stuff. That's not portraying RDA in a
> negative light, that's just
> talking about the plots and context.
since you watched it, do you have the 'exact' wording
of what she said? naw, forget it, i'll get it from
someone else.
>
> In fact, she said almost exactly what you imagined
> in that paragraph, except
> for the last sentence.
and that last sentence was the clincher, wasn't it?
> She was respectful to everyone
> involved, and I honestly can't
> figure out why you're so up in arms about this.
because of how long it's been going on.
ginger rogers is one of my fave actresses, i even read
her autobiography. and while ginger wanted to move
past just doing musicals (with fred or not), she
never, ever dissed her time with him or the movies
they did together. hearing amanda's resentment of the
s/j storyline is VERY hard for me to hear, because i
can't understand her often extreme dislike of it. and
it DOES affect how i enjoy the storyline.
you might not get it from here, but i truly love
amanda. she's my fave actress, and i've even went to a
con just to see her. i have hundreds of photos of not
just s/j ship, but mostly of amanda herself. i have
all her interviews saved. i'm a fangirl of amanda's.
but amanda's been talking negatively about the s/j
ship since the beginning, getting particularily
negative around the time pete showed up. everytime she
praises sam/pete and disses on sam/jack, it takes its
toll. this last bought just blew me away (and i'm
talking about some recent interviews and a con
appearance). i thought she'd finally come to peace
with this storyline. she was even giving pro s/j ship
interviews and comments. and then something set her
off and she started being angry/resentful about it
again. i can't take this anymore. i just want to enjoy
this one aspect of the show without her tearing it
down. and making it worse, making pro sam/pete
comments on top of it.
>
> And as for your earlier little snipe about this
> becoming a pro-Sam/Pete
> thread, I disliked Pete a lot. I just dislike
> irrational arguments like
> this too.
>
>
it's not irrational; it's an opinion. if amanda's
allowed to have one and express it anyway she likes,
so can i.
and while i admit i'm in waaaaaaaaay too deep with
this show and fandom, i also know that a lot of
shippers agree with me.
it's very disheartening to hear. i don't want amanda
to lose fans because of this, and i'm afraid it's at
its breaking point right now.
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Oh, Jaka...
---Hey, you gotta take into account that more than 8
years have passed since the start of the show and that
people change during that time, especially the ones
who were already in the middle age, like RDA.
He's 55 or 56 now, age is finally making itself
visible. Soon he'll have a beer belly, lose hair, his
skin will get wrinkled,... it all comes with age
unless you have really good genes.
=-
And more Jaka, talking to our second-best batshipper.
> her autobiography. and while ginger wanted to move
> past just doing musicals (with fred or not), she
> never, ever dissed her time with him or the movies
> they did together. hearing amanda's resentment of
> the
> s/j storyline is VERY hard for me to hear, because i
> can't understand her often extreme dislike of it.
> and
> it DOES affect how i enjoy the storyline.
***Amen to that, sister. I don't know where that
intense hate is coming from.
The way she is acting it's showing a very ugly side of
her character and makes me wonder if she is even
worthy of playing Sam. Perhaps fame has gotten into
her head?
> but amanda's been talking negatively about the s/j
> ship since the beginning, getting particularily
> negative around the time pete showed up. everytime
> she
> praises sam/pete and disses on sam/jack, it takes
> its
> toll.
***Damn right.
> this last bought just blew me away (and i'm
> talking about some recent interviews and a con
> appearance). i thought she'd finally come to peace
> with this storyline. she was even giving pro s/j
> ship
> interviews and comments. and then something set her
> off and she started being angry/resentful about it
> again. i can't take this anymore. i just want to
> enjoy
> this one aspect of the show without her tearing it
> down. and making it worse, making pro sam/pete
> comments on top of it.
***I fully agree with you on that one. She's very
unstabile (not meant mentally unstable) when it comes
to her opinions.
AT's been making stupid comments ever since I can
remember. I've lost respect for her because of that a
long time ago, I'm sad to admit. I don't know what
happened to her that she became so openly hostile
towads the s/j storyline, but her rants are really
starting making me dislike her.
=-
Why can't we have a cool name like "batchipper" for the scary--OOH. We could call them Jamshippers.... nah.
Also, at this point, someone sane was like, "Dude, you're all being idiots." Everyone should send nice thoughts to her.
=-
SANITY.
I think this thread has become Amanda Tapping ACTOR bashing. She
answered a question. She is NOT Sam. She can decide for her own self
who is a better kisser. It was a question for HER to answer. I don't
think the question was who do does SAM think is a better kisser so we
should all take in the claws.
Personally I think it's unfair that AT gets all the ridiculous "who
kisses better" questions. Why not ask RDA who he think kisses better?
Kynthia, Laira, that CIA chick...
=-
Jaka:
***That might be a problem, since it's been so long
since Kynthia and Laira. You can't expect of RDA to
even remember how it was like to kiss those two women.
Another problem would be: have we ever even SEEN Jack
kiss Laira or Kynthia the way Sam kissed Jack and
Shanahan?
As far as I remember, we didn't (though I could be
wrong since it's been a long time since I saw those
two eps), so there would be no reason to ask that
question, while AT HAS kissed RDA and DDL both only a
few years back in the same way (Chimera, Grace and
Moebius), both in just a short interval from the other
so she was able to compare.
Perhaps it would've been better to ask MS how kisses
from Sha're, Shyla, Sarah, Vala,... and all those
other women he had can compare.
=-
S'more Jaka insanity (and now we've really strayed into Actor Territory. WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MOD TO STOP THIS THREAD?)
Okay, Sally, you drool over RDA, meanwhile, I'll just
drool over Claudia Black.
I have to say I'm disappointed at TPTB over how they
intentionally bash and try to make fans hate Cam and
Vala. Very bad character and back-stabbing of them
considering that THEY hired them, and then instead of
giving them a chance to become a part of the team,
they intentionally make fans hate their characters by
writing them that way.
I think Ben and Claudia can't be feeling anything
remotely close to being appreciated, considering that
they are newbies on the show and the ones who had
hired them are actively working against the characters
they are portraying. I'm sure there were also quite
vocal protests from fans against the two actors
themselves and demands to TPTB to get rid of them.
SG's TPTB seem to have failed on every level and angle
possible and I am very disappointed with them. Since
RDA had left it had become apparent that the rest of
them are just an incompetent, greedy, lot.
Imagine going from much adored actors, with extremely
big and supportive fanbase of yourself and the
characters you portray to being two outcasts, two
outsiders, who are hated by so many.
In it's 4 years of running Farscape has given it's
fans 3000 times more than Stargate has given in 10
seasons, not to mention the quality of the cast, of
the show, of the scripts, the cameras, the filming,...
that big, honkin pile of awards and commendations the
show and the cast had received during those 4 years
says it all.
And what SG TPTB have to show for are fans that are
becoming disillusioned and are getting riled by the
way their characters are being manhandled by TPTB, the
way the show is slowly being destroyed, trouble
constantly being caused by the female (former?) lead's
actress,...
I think TPTB should finally take a look at the writing
on the wall, read it, act on it and end the show
before it's remembered as just another one of
once-a-great-show-now-a-disgrace. Like Forever Knight,
Moonlighting, JAG, Quantum Leap and so many others.
=-
And now time for batshit-second-class, and the BEST comment EVER. Seriously. How do people like this live in the real world?
i just wanted to say that if i offended anyone with
what i said about amanda's views, i'm sorry. you might
not know this, but i love amanda very much. she's not
only my fave actress, she's my idol. *that's* why i'm
reacting so strongly to amanda's views. it just
hurts/affects me more.
but again, i'm sorry if i offended anyone.
*hugs amanda*
=-
More sanity, thank the little sand gods of Kobol
Absolutely. This, I think, is a failure to separate actors from characters,
which is why I said that calling this Sam/Jack-bashing was silly and
irrational. Especially considering that the most venom seems to be coming
from people who haven't seen the special. (Come on, people, calling her
unstable?) I have a lot more respect for an honest, unpopular answer than
for an answer that panders.
And it is unfair that AT gets the brunt of these questions. You could tell
at the beginning of her answer that she wasn't really comfortable with the
question, and it's annoying that they keep asking her
=-
Jaka:
> (Come on,
> people, calling her
> unstable?)
***Had you read more carefully you would have noticed
the explanation that the unstabile was not meant in
lieu of unstabile personality or mentality but in lieu
of changing one's opinions often and in radical ways.
That's how the unstabile was meant.
=-
Someone finally remembers the 'no actors' rule... albeit obliquely.
I understand, and I LOVE Amanda as well. Which is why I would
naturally respond to your opinions. And without a doubt, your opinions
matter and you have the right to express them but should be wary of
the actor topic boundaries we have on this group.
=-
And Jaka gets mistaken for a GIRL. Comedy GOLD, people.
I'm not going to get into the big Amanda debate that's going on, but I did want
to clarify that I understood what the original poster meant. (You'll note she
said "not mentally".) When she said "unstable," she just meant that AT's view
on S/J - or her view as expressed to the fans - has been inconsistent. At one
con, she says she doesn't like the ship, doesn't want Sam to be "Jack's girl"
(which would never happen anyway), and doesn't want to see any more S/J, then at
the next con appearance, she'll say she loves the ship, kissing scenes, signs
pictures with "Sam loves Jack" and basically is very supportive of it.
So maybe the original poster should have said "inconsistent" or "changeable"
instead of "unstable," but by strict definition of the word, it is applicable.
=-
Jaka:
***Thank you, Mary, for explaining what I tried to
say.
People, please take into account that English is not
my primary language.
It's not even secondary, but only Tertiary!
I still sometimes struggle to come up with appropriate
words and even sometimes fail.
It's 4AM here for cryin out loud!!! I think I'm
entitled to a few mistakes due to tiredness, but this
thread has been so interesting that I just couldn't
tear myself away.
=-
I'm not quoting all of this, just highlighting, yet again, the stupid people who KEEP WATCHING when they don't really like a show anymore. WTF, people? Just go the fuck away already!
However, I have to say that most of the episodes in the last half of
Season 9 and so far in Season 10 have been pretty lame. I think TPTB
are losing it, running out of steam. And with RDA gone, that special
chemistry between the characters is gone too. Even though all the
actors are quite good -- including the new ones -- I just can't get
into the new characters. I think Season 10 will be the last.
Someone mentioned that the show is winning new fans, but obviously
not many, since the ratings are down.
The real SG-1 was Seasons 1 through 8, with the true SG-1 team.
(Okay, Season 6 had Jonah, but it also had RDA!) I have bought all
the DVDs of Seasons 1 - 8, which I've never done for any TV show
before, but I won't bother buying Season 9 or 10. The true SG-1 will
live on in fan fiction.
=-
More nice thoughts and sane shipper commentary for '200'. That is, er, too long.
=-
Remember, the point of this is to give you the batshittery.
=-
Someone replying to... Jaka, I think. It's hard to tell and a bit confusing...
----- Original Message -----
From: nezn anec
Okay, Sally, you drool over RDA, meanwhile, I'll just
drool over Claudia Black.
***I'll second Sally, if you don't mind... CB doesn't do anything for me...***
:-1
I have to say I'm disappointed at TPTB over how they
intentionally bash and try to make fans hate Cam and
Vala.
***In my case, it will surely be nice for you to know, TPTB didn't even have
to bash 'em in that ep for that to happen: I disliked 'em after a couple of eps
(okay: minutes!) in S9. Then I don't know what happened: I stopped watching
(apart from the "Janet" ep since someone insisted *strongly* that I had to see
that one). Cam was still getting on my nerves alright! I was spared Vala...
Unless I fast forwarded the parts she appeared in? See: that's how SG impresses
me those days...***
Very bad character and back-stabbing of them
considering that THEY hired them, and then instead of
giving them a chance to become a part of the team,
they intentionally make fans hate their characters by
writing them that way.
*** I seriously doubt that it was intentional. They thought they had the best
thing since sliced bread came around. The writing was probably botched. Can't
say much more on the matter. While I rooted for the original 4 way back in S1
after watching about 10 minutes of "First commandment", I was off the show about
10 minutes after the start of S9...***
I think Ben and Claudia can't be feeling anything
remotely close to being appreciated, considering that
they are newbies on the show and the ones who had
hired them are actively working against the characters
they are portraying. I'm sure there were also quite
vocal protests from fans against the two actors
themselves and demands to TPTB to get rid of them.
*** As they have quite vocal support from all the FS gang that got hooked on
FarGate SGnone after they arrived. Last time I was in a Stargate Forum, I could
see that they had their fan base around them. Too bad they couldn't hook as much
of the "old guard" fans like me...***
SG's TPTB seem to have failed on every level and angle
possible and I am very disappointed with them. Since
RDA had left it had become apparent that the rest of
them are just an incompetent, greedy, lot.
***That, I can agree with... ;-)***
In it's 4 years of running Farscape has given it's
fans 3000 times more than Stargate has given in 10
seasons, not to mention the quality of the cast, of
the show, of the scripts, the cameras, the filming,...
that big, honkin pile of awards and commendations the
show and the cast had received during those 4 years
says it all.
***Well, too bad it didn't last. Those things happen. Can't compare though:
all that quality didn't grab me at all... Heh.***
And what SG TPTB have to show for are fans that are
becoming disillusioned and are getting riled by the
way their characters are being manhandled by TPTB, the
way the show is slowly being destroyed, trouble
constantly being caused by the female (former?) lead's
actress,...
***Can't say I get your point here, since I don't watch anymore. But I think
the "former", if you're meaning AT, lead actress had no business becoming said
former lead actress just to favor the newbie. After all (assuming you're talking
about AT, of course) she and the 2 other guys have been an integral part of this
show since it started and the one thing that galled me was that they were pushed
aside to make space for the 2 new wonders that were parachuted in. That show had
a strong character dynamics. And that wasn't respected at all, IMHO.***
I think TPTB should finally take a look at the writing
on the wall, read it, act on it and end the show
before it's remembered as just another one of
once-a-great-show-now-a-disgrace. Like Forever Knight,
Moonlighting, JAG, Quantum Leap and so many others.
*** I'm not so drastic: I think that they should have made a spin-off of this
and changed its name, like they wanted to at first. But, hey! There's more
brainy people than me "driving" that business...*** :-1
........
Alright, I'll give them credit. It was funny. Some of
the time. BUT, I felt the ending was so distastefully
done, with all the profanity from the fake cast of
SG-1, and just a waste of camera time that could have
been spent doing something else. The fake Teal'c thing
reminded me of the monologe that Jerry Springer gives
at the end of his nonsense shows to wrap everything
up. Do they want us as fans to put this episode into
the same category?
I don't know, I understood most of the inside jokes,
but it wasn't one of my favorites. They should have
based it off of Citizen Joe, rather than Wormhole
X-treme. And for RDA, well, I'm getting sick of the
cameo appearances. I want him to either interact with
the cast, (origional SG-1, even if it's not S/J ship,
their banter with one another is funny and greatly
missed) or just stay away. It's not worth getting all
riled up for nothing. Which what his past apperances
have been in S9 and S10. Nothing special.
=-
someone replying to someone
first off, even though i've been complaining about
things, i still loved the wedding scene. :D
(i'll explain more below)
>
> And there were some cute bits about Mitchell's
> inadequacies--"The
> character is based on Jack O'Neill, not you>" LOL.
YES! i absolutely loved how mitchell was handled in
this ep! interloper indeed! *g*
>
> I liked "200"--and I liked the fact that each
> senario was *very*
> short. I'd have liked more of the wedding and less
> of the puppets,
> but some sequences that I was worried about--like
> "The Wizard of Oz"
> zipped by with just the right amount of attention.
i was worried about the wizard of oz and farscape
scenarios too. with wizard, i was afraid it would be
glaringly obvious that sam and jack were missing, but
because it was vala's idea, it worked. (and sam, at
least, was in there, and not negatively)
with farscape (which is a show i'm slightly familiar
with), i was afraid of john/aeryn(sp?) ship being
highlighted over any s/j somewhere in the ep. not only
was it barely touched, amanda's blue woman/white
haired character was acted great! (go amanda!).
>
> What *I* saw was a sweet acknowledgement
> that if there was
> going to be a wedding, it would be between Sam and
> Jack. I saw a
> sweet scene with a nervous Jack and some Great
> dialog
yes! while it wasn't exactly what i wanted, at least
it wasn't dumped on like i was afraid would happen.
the one thing i would have changed would have been for
sam's hair to not have been long. i'm not sure what
the reasons were for that (either to purposely deprive
the shippers of a 'real' feel to the wedding, or they
were hinting at a 'future' idea which would take place
a bit in the future where sam's hair might be long).
whatever the reasons, i'm still happy with what we
got.
>
>
>
> And then AFTER the wedding fantasy, Sam and Jack
> just look at each
> other like they're sharing a secret.
now *there* was my most feared moment! i was soooo
afraid that either sam and/or jack's reactions would
have been 'ick!' or a complete indifference. while i
sometimes have trouble reading rda's expressions, i
could clearly see that sam was pleased by the idea. :D
as long as neither one rejected the idea, the soup is
still simmering on the stove of luv. :p
> When I heard about the wedding scene in "200," my
> biggest fear was
> that when it was over we'd see all the characters
> react with
> disbelief or disgust. But that didn't happen.
like i said above, i was GREATLY relieved!!
> It was the slash that was made fun of with Daniel's
> worrying that if
> Sam didn't show up soon, the congregation would
> think he and Jack
> were getting married. Jack's reaction? Total
> bewilderment. LOL.
after reading some antis'/slashers reactions to the
scene, i was afraid the slash would be given
precedence over the ship (don't take two hunky men and
ship them *together* please!). but with jack's
bewilderment, it totally saved that implication!! :D
so another thing i was relieved about. (jeez, who
would have thought what they 'didn't' put in would
give me more satisfaction than what they did? :p)
>
> And, to repeat, when the scene was over, there
> wasn't the outright
> rejection that we saw with the other senarios.
> Instead there were
> deliberate cuts to Sam and Jack.
totally noticed that!! :D :D
*takes a moment to squee*
and that great invisible jack spying on sam in the
shower bit! :D
*more squeeing*
>
> In an episode that was supposed to be a series of
> parodies of
> ridiculous ideas, I think S/J ship came out very
> well. It came out
> verified and accepted. That was more than *I*
> expected.
>
>
yep and yep again!
so i guess i'm more happy than i thought. :p
(still upset about the 'best kisser' stuff from amanda
:( )
=-
someone's reply to one of the sane commentors
We are all entitled to our opinions. Sorry that yours disagrees with
ours, but that's just the way it is sometimes. I think it's a little
arrogant to get "pissed off" because other folks dare to differ. But
then that's just my opinion.
=-
> Really, if you think about it, how could you not
> have had more fun filming that scene in Sam's
> hallway with Pete than the chaste kisses she and
> Jack have shared? I bet it was a lot of fun!
>
>
>
one word, - 'grace'.
was that a dull/boring kiss?
ppl make choices on how they're going to address
things. and while i don't want someone kissing my
butt, i also don't want them kicking it.
also, let's *please* not turn this into the quasi
sam/pete shipper thread. please.
=-
And, our favorite batshit-unable-to-capitalize-shipper is back, replying to one of the sane people noting that AT DOES NOT EQUAL Sam
see, i don't really think amanda thinks that little
twit is the better kisser. heck, even the anti s/j
shippers i hang out with on the 'sam thread' at
gateworld think his character was not only an id, but
miscast. i think amanda was pissed that fans didn't
take to pete and the sam/pete storyline, and i think
she won't let go of it.
do i 'really' believe ddl is a better kisser than rda?
no way, no you've-got-to-be-kidding-me how.
i also think it ties into amanda prob being tired of
the s/j angle. and while i ADORE amanda, i'm tired of
hearing about it, and tired of having my fun dampened
by it.
i love amanda, but i'm tired of hearing this. for 10
years now.
=-
i didn't watch the special, so i don't know how it was
asked. i also don't know amanda's exact wording in
answering it. here's how *i* would have answered it...
'while i think rick is a great kisser, i enjoyed
david's kisses more because of the context of the
sitation. it was just a more passionate and powerful
situation for sam. but while i enjoyed my kisses with
david, i think rick is the better kisser.'
she's still acknowledging david (and the storyline she
liked), but also still acknowledging rda in a more
positive light. (and while some shippers would have
still been upset, i bet the majority of them would
have been happy with the rda-winner outcome). just my
opinion.
=-
***I agree, Sally, especially about the 'little twit' comment.
I think AT won't stop talking about DDL and Shanahan because she
herself very actively and vehemently supported and pushed forward the
Sam/Shanahan thing and was angry at fans because they didn't like it,
like Shanahan and like the way Sam was when she was with Shanahan
(careless and completely didn't care how any of her actions would hurt
Jack, she'd moved on and didn't hesitate to show to Jack that she
didn't need, want or care about him anymore. The way she reacted to
Kerry was very self-centered, selfish, arrogant and completely out of
her rights considering that she had always made the decisions as to
how her relationship with Jack would look like and that she had left
him behind and chose a younger model over him.).
At some point AT seems to have decided that she despises or hates the
idea of Jack with Sam and started actively working against it becoming
true. She doesn't want Sam to be "Jack's girl" (what a load of
bullshit), but she didn't mind Sam becoming "Shanahan's girl".
I think that the only reason why Sam didn't marry Shanahan in the end
is because RDA didn't let them do that, otherwise AT would've probably
forced it to happen.
And because she's pissed that fans didn't like her idea and her pet
project, she now throws Shanahan in our face at every opportunity or
tries to belittle the bond that J&S once had with comments like "now
they can have a little fun", have one hot night of sex and then move
on,...
Seriously, who would ever expect Jack to be satisfied with one night
after having pined for Sam for the last 9 seasons? The man is in his
50's, is a mature man who wants to settle down, is too mature for one
night stands and casual sex, he knows how good a marriage and
fatherhood can be and definitely doesn't want to die alone, like he
did in 2010 (one of the eps I have most hated. Wonder if AT had
anything to do with Sam getting so cuddly with Joe in 2001 and
marrying him in 2010?).
Can anyone even imagine Jack, after pining for Sam for so long and
knowing how good a marriage can be, to just be satisfied with one
night of sex and then spend the rest of his life alone, with only
memories of that one night to fuel his dreams? Get real.
Jack would want everything with Sam, but AT obviously doesn't want
that for Sam.
After reading some of her statements and interviews I think someone of
the TPTB should forbid her giving interviews about the show and Sam.
She doesn't do anything but rile up fans and stir trouble. Whether she
does it intentionally or not, I don't know, but the end result is
always the same. And perhaps they should even limit her role in the
decision making regarding Sam's development and "life".
=-
OH THANK GOD SOME SANITY. I was beginning to worry.
Wow, you didn't even watch it and you're casting judgment on what she said
anyway? I'm not sure how to respond to that, except that it makes you look
pretty silly.
We in the audience didn't hear the question. There was a title splashed
across the screen about kisses while they were going through everyone's
favorite villains, weapons, stuff like that. Amanda looked uncomfortable
for a minute and gave an answer which I thought was very honest. She said
that RDA's a great kisser and that those scenes were fun, but she preferred
David Deluise because of the context. It wasn't random fantasy kissing, it
was real stuff. That's not portraying RDA in a negative light, that's just
talking about the plots and context.
In fact, she said almost exactly what you imagined in that paragraph, except
for the last sentence. She was talking about it in a professional sense and
her answer obviously wasn't out to please a bunch of shippers *or* thumb her
nose at them. She was respectful to everyone involved, and I honestly can't
figure out why you're so up in arms about this.
As for the shippers being happier if she'd said RDA was a better kisser...
I'm not sure most of the people who are upset about this would be happy
unless TPTB spoke to each of them personally to acknowledge that Pete was a
huge mistake and that Jack is Sam's one and only true love. And then did an
entire episode about them getting married and having babies. But that's
just my opinion.
And as for your earlier little snipe about this becoming a pro-Sam/Pete
thread, I disliked Pete a lot. I just dislike irrational arguments like
this too.
=-
Random Jaka commentary on Jack... apparently, Jaka might be a liiiittle gay.
Jaka: ***I think that RDA's age is finally starting to show
on his body.
Plus the fact that while he was still playing a field
officer Jack, he got regular exercise, keeping him in
shape.
That exercise wasn't needed when he became a General
which is why he was a little fuller then and now that
he retired from the show completely and it's a
question whether he still exercises, no wonder he got
beaten by his age and not-active life style.
=-
And then there's a tl; dr of someone saying maybe Jack had a Special Moment planned for Sam on the other side of the gate.
=-
More from our second-best-batshipper
and this is why i stopped participating on this list.
i like to 'debate', not argue (or be called names)
with my fellow shippers.
a friend of mine was watching this special and sending
me notes on how it was going. when amanda got to that
part about the kissing stuff, my friend was very
upset. i totally agree with her judgement, so i
believed her and decided not to watch the special. if
i had, and had *seen* the chimera scenes too, i would
have went into the '200' ep angry and upset. just like
i went into 'new order' after some of the same stuff
was shown/talked about before the ep in a special.
>
> We in the audience didn't hear the question. There
> was a title splashed
> across the screen about kisses while they were going
> through everyone's
> favorite villains, weapons, stuff like that. Amanda
> looked uncomfortable
> for a minute and gave an answer which I thought was
> very honest. She said
> that RDA's a great kisser and that those scenes were
> fun, but she preferred
> David Deluise because of the context. It wasn't
> random fantasy kissing, it
> was real stuff. That's not portraying RDA in a
> negative light, that's just
> talking about the plots and context.
since you watched it, do you have the 'exact' wording
of what she said? naw, forget it, i'll get it from
someone else.
>
> In fact, she said almost exactly what you imagined
> in that paragraph, except
> for the last sentence.
and that last sentence was the clincher, wasn't it?
> She was respectful to everyone
> involved, and I honestly can't
> figure out why you're so up in arms about this.
because of how long it's been going on.
ginger rogers is one of my fave actresses, i even read
her autobiography. and while ginger wanted to move
past just doing musicals (with fred or not), she
never, ever dissed her time with him or the movies
they did together. hearing amanda's resentment of the
s/j storyline is VERY hard for me to hear, because i
can't understand her often extreme dislike of it. and
it DOES affect how i enjoy the storyline.
you might not get it from here, but i truly love
amanda. she's my fave actress, and i've even went to a
con just to see her. i have hundreds of photos of not
just s/j ship, but mostly of amanda herself. i have
all her interviews saved. i'm a fangirl of amanda's.
but amanda's been talking negatively about the s/j
ship since the beginning, getting particularily
negative around the time pete showed up. everytime she
praises sam/pete and disses on sam/jack, it takes its
toll. this last bought just blew me away (and i'm
talking about some recent interviews and a con
appearance). i thought she'd finally come to peace
with this storyline. she was even giving pro s/j ship
interviews and comments. and then something set her
off and she started being angry/resentful about it
again. i can't take this anymore. i just want to enjoy
this one aspect of the show without her tearing it
down. and making it worse, making pro sam/pete
comments on top of it.
>
> And as for your earlier little snipe about this
> becoming a pro-Sam/Pete
> thread, I disliked Pete a lot. I just dislike
> irrational arguments like
> this too.
>
>
it's not irrational; it's an opinion. if amanda's
allowed to have one and express it anyway she likes,
so can i.
and while i admit i'm in waaaaaaaaay too deep with
this show and fandom, i also know that a lot of
shippers agree with me.
it's very disheartening to hear. i don't want amanda
to lose fans because of this, and i'm afraid it's at
its breaking point right now.
=-
Oh, Jaka...
---Hey, you gotta take into account that more than 8
years have passed since the start of the show and that
people change during that time, especially the ones
who were already in the middle age, like RDA.
He's 55 or 56 now, age is finally making itself
visible. Soon he'll have a beer belly, lose hair, his
skin will get wrinkled,... it all comes with age
unless you have really good genes.
=-
And more Jaka, talking to our second-best batshipper.
> her autobiography. and while ginger wanted to move
> past just doing musicals (with fred or not), she
> never, ever dissed her time with him or the movies
> they did together. hearing amanda's resentment of
> the
> s/j storyline is VERY hard for me to hear, because i
> can't understand her often extreme dislike of it.
> and
> it DOES affect how i enjoy the storyline.
***Amen to that, sister. I don't know where that
intense hate is coming from.
The way she is acting it's showing a very ugly side of
her character and makes me wonder if she is even
worthy of playing Sam. Perhaps fame has gotten into
her head?
> but amanda's been talking negatively about the s/j
> ship since the beginning, getting particularily
> negative around the time pete showed up. everytime
> she
> praises sam/pete and disses on sam/jack, it takes
> its
> toll.
***Damn right.
> this last bought just blew me away (and i'm
> talking about some recent interviews and a con
> appearance). i thought she'd finally come to peace
> with this storyline. she was even giving pro s/j
> ship
> interviews and comments. and then something set her
> off and she started being angry/resentful about it
> again. i can't take this anymore. i just want to
> enjoy
> this one aspect of the show without her tearing it
> down. and making it worse, making pro sam/pete
> comments on top of it.
***I fully agree with you on that one. She's very
unstabile (not meant mentally unstable) when it comes
to her opinions.
AT's been making stupid comments ever since I can
remember. I've lost respect for her because of that a
long time ago, I'm sad to admit. I don't know what
happened to her that she became so openly hostile
towads the s/j storyline, but her rants are really
starting making me dislike her.
=-
Why can't we have a cool name like "batchipper" for the scary--OOH. We could call them Jamshippers.... nah.
Also, at this point, someone sane was like, "Dude, you're all being idiots." Everyone should send nice thoughts to her.
=-
SANITY.
I think this thread has become Amanda Tapping ACTOR bashing. She
answered a question. She is NOT Sam. She can decide for her own self
who is a better kisser. It was a question for HER to answer. I don't
think the question was who do does SAM think is a better kisser so we
should all take in the claws.
Personally I think it's unfair that AT gets all the ridiculous "who
kisses better" questions. Why not ask RDA who he think kisses better?
Kynthia, Laira, that CIA chick...
=-
Jaka:
***That might be a problem, since it's been so long
since Kynthia and Laira. You can't expect of RDA to
even remember how it was like to kiss those two women.
Another problem would be: have we ever even SEEN Jack
kiss Laira or Kynthia the way Sam kissed Jack and
Shanahan?
As far as I remember, we didn't (though I could be
wrong since it's been a long time since I saw those
two eps), so there would be no reason to ask that
question, while AT HAS kissed RDA and DDL both only a
few years back in the same way (Chimera, Grace and
Moebius), both in just a short interval from the other
so she was able to compare.
Perhaps it would've been better to ask MS how kisses
from Sha're, Shyla, Sarah, Vala,... and all those
other women he had can compare.
=-
S'more Jaka insanity (and now we've really strayed into Actor Territory. WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MOD TO STOP THIS THREAD?)
Okay, Sally, you drool over RDA, meanwhile, I'll just
drool over Claudia Black.
I have to say I'm disappointed at TPTB over how they
intentionally bash and try to make fans hate Cam and
Vala. Very bad character and back-stabbing of them
considering that THEY hired them, and then instead of
giving them a chance to become a part of the team,
they intentionally make fans hate their characters by
writing them that way.
I think Ben and Claudia can't be feeling anything
remotely close to being appreciated, considering that
they are newbies on the show and the ones who had
hired them are actively working against the characters
they are portraying. I'm sure there were also quite
vocal protests from fans against the two actors
themselves and demands to TPTB to get rid of them.
SG's TPTB seem to have failed on every level and angle
possible and I am very disappointed with them. Since
RDA had left it had become apparent that the rest of
them are just an incompetent, greedy, lot.
Imagine going from much adored actors, with extremely
big and supportive fanbase of yourself and the
characters you portray to being two outcasts, two
outsiders, who are hated by so many.
In it's 4 years of running Farscape has given it's
fans 3000 times more than Stargate has given in 10
seasons, not to mention the quality of the cast, of
the show, of the scripts, the cameras, the filming,...
that big, honkin pile of awards and commendations the
show and the cast had received during those 4 years
says it all.
And what SG TPTB have to show for are fans that are
becoming disillusioned and are getting riled by the
way their characters are being manhandled by TPTB, the
way the show is slowly being destroyed, trouble
constantly being caused by the female (former?) lead's
actress,...
I think TPTB should finally take a look at the writing
on the wall, read it, act on it and end the show
before it's remembered as just another one of
once-a-great-show-now-a-disgrace. Like Forever Knight,
Moonlighting, JAG, Quantum Leap and so many others.
=-
And now time for batshit-second-class, and the BEST comment EVER. Seriously. How do people like this live in the real world?
i just wanted to say that if i offended anyone with
what i said about amanda's views, i'm sorry. you might
not know this, but i love amanda very much. she's not
only my fave actress, she's my idol. *that's* why i'm
reacting so strongly to amanda's views. it just
hurts/affects me more.
but again, i'm sorry if i offended anyone.
*hugs amanda*
=-
More sanity, thank the little sand gods of Kobol
Absolutely. This, I think, is a failure to separate actors from characters,
which is why I said that calling this Sam/Jack-bashing was silly and
irrational. Especially considering that the most venom seems to be coming
from people who haven't seen the special. (Come on, people, calling her
unstable?) I have a lot more respect for an honest, unpopular answer than
for an answer that panders.
And it is unfair that AT gets the brunt of these questions. You could tell
at the beginning of her answer that she wasn't really comfortable with the
question, and it's annoying that they keep asking her
=-
Jaka:
> (Come on,
> people, calling her
> unstable?)
***Had you read more carefully you would have noticed
the explanation that the unstabile was not meant in
lieu of unstabile personality or mentality but in lieu
of changing one's opinions often and in radical ways.
That's how the unstabile was meant.
=-
Someone finally remembers the 'no actors' rule... albeit obliquely.
I understand, and I LOVE Amanda as well. Which is why I would
naturally respond to your opinions. And without a doubt, your opinions
matter and you have the right to express them but should be wary of
the actor topic boundaries we have on this group.
=-
And Jaka gets mistaken for a GIRL. Comedy GOLD, people.
I'm not going to get into the big Amanda debate that's going on, but I did want
to clarify that I understood what the original poster meant. (You'll note she
said "not mentally".) When she said "unstable," she just meant that AT's view
on S/J - or her view as expressed to the fans - has been inconsistent. At one
con, she says she doesn't like the ship, doesn't want Sam to be "Jack's girl"
(which would never happen anyway), and doesn't want to see any more S/J, then at
the next con appearance, she'll say she loves the ship, kissing scenes, signs
pictures with "Sam loves Jack" and basically is very supportive of it.
So maybe the original poster should have said "inconsistent" or "changeable"
instead of "unstable," but by strict definition of the word, it is applicable.
=-
Jaka:
***Thank you, Mary, for explaining what I tried to
say.
People, please take into account that English is not
my primary language.
It's not even secondary, but only Tertiary!
I still sometimes struggle to come up with appropriate
words and even sometimes fail.
It's 4AM here for cryin out loud!!! I think I'm
entitled to a few mistakes due to tiredness, but this
thread has been so interesting that I just couldn't
tear myself away.
=-
I'm not quoting all of this, just highlighting, yet again, the stupid people who KEEP WATCHING when they don't really like a show anymore. WTF, people? Just go the fuck away already!
However, I have to say that most of the episodes in the last half of
Season 9 and so far in Season 10 have been pretty lame. I think TPTB
are losing it, running out of steam. And with RDA gone, that special
chemistry between the characters is gone too. Even though all the
actors are quite good -- including the new ones -- I just can't get
into the new characters. I think Season 10 will be the last.
Someone mentioned that the show is winning new fans, but obviously
not many, since the ratings are down.
The real SG-1 was Seasons 1 through 8, with the true SG-1 team.
(Okay, Season 6 had Jonah, but it also had RDA!) I have bought all
the DVDs of Seasons 1 - 8, which I've never done for any TV show
before, but I won't bother buying Season 9 or 10. The true SG-1 will
live on in fan fiction.
=-
More nice thoughts and sane shipper commentary for '200'. That is, er, too long.
=-
Remember, the point of this is to give you the batshittery.
=-
Someone replying to... Jaka, I think. It's hard to tell and a bit confusing...
----- Original Message -----
From: nezn anec
Okay, Sally, you drool over RDA, meanwhile, I'll just
drool over Claudia Black.
***I'll second Sally, if you don't mind... CB doesn't do anything for me...***
:-1
I have to say I'm disappointed at TPTB over how they
intentionally bash and try to make fans hate Cam and
Vala.
***In my case, it will surely be nice for you to know, TPTB didn't even have
to bash 'em in that ep for that to happen: I disliked 'em after a couple of eps
(okay: minutes!) in S9. Then I don't know what happened: I stopped watching
(apart from the "Janet" ep since someone insisted *strongly* that I had to see
that one). Cam was still getting on my nerves alright! I was spared Vala...
Unless I fast forwarded the parts she appeared in? See: that's how SG impresses
me those days...***
Very bad character and back-stabbing of them
considering that THEY hired them, and then instead of
giving them a chance to become a part of the team,
they intentionally make fans hate their characters by
writing them that way.
*** I seriously doubt that it was intentional. They thought they had the best
thing since sliced bread came around. The writing was probably botched. Can't
say much more on the matter. While I rooted for the original 4 way back in S1
after watching about 10 minutes of "First commandment", I was off the show about
10 minutes after the start of S9...***
I think Ben and Claudia can't be feeling anything
remotely close to being appreciated, considering that
they are newbies on the show and the ones who had
hired them are actively working against the characters
they are portraying. I'm sure there were also quite
vocal protests from fans against the two actors
themselves and demands to TPTB to get rid of them.
*** As they have quite vocal support from all the FS gang that got hooked on
FarGate SGnone after they arrived. Last time I was in a Stargate Forum, I could
see that they had their fan base around them. Too bad they couldn't hook as much
of the "old guard" fans like me...***
SG's TPTB seem to have failed on every level and angle
possible and I am very disappointed with them. Since
RDA had left it had become apparent that the rest of
them are just an incompetent, greedy, lot.
***That, I can agree with... ;-)***
In it's 4 years of running Farscape has given it's
fans 3000 times more than Stargate has given in 10
seasons, not to mention the quality of the cast, of
the show, of the scripts, the cameras, the filming,...
that big, honkin pile of awards and commendations the
show and the cast had received during those 4 years
says it all.
***Well, too bad it didn't last. Those things happen. Can't compare though:
all that quality didn't grab me at all... Heh.***
And what SG TPTB have to show for are fans that are
becoming disillusioned and are getting riled by the
way their characters are being manhandled by TPTB, the
way the show is slowly being destroyed, trouble
constantly being caused by the female (former?) lead's
actress,...
***Can't say I get your point here, since I don't watch anymore. But I think
the "former", if you're meaning AT, lead actress had no business becoming said
former lead actress just to favor the newbie. After all (assuming you're talking
about AT, of course) she and the 2 other guys have been an integral part of this
show since it started and the one thing that galled me was that they were pushed
aside to make space for the 2 new wonders that were parachuted in. That show had
a strong character dynamics. And that wasn't respected at all, IMHO.***
I think TPTB should finally take a look at the writing
on the wall, read it, act on it and end the show
before it's remembered as just another one of
once-a-great-show-now-a-disgrace. Like Forever Knight,
Moonlighting, JAG, Quantum Leap and so many others.
*** I'm not so drastic: I think that they should have made a spin-off of this
and changed its name, like they wanted to at first. But, hey! There's more
brainy people than me "driving" that business...*** :-1
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The AT bashing scares me-it really does. Words do not adequately coverhow I feel about this...
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Isn't there some crappy new show out there with a cliche' het pairing that we could point them toward?
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Umm, whatever we decide to push them at, can it not be Atlantis and Shep/Weir? I deal with enough drama already. ;)
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House could work, though, 'cause it's huge and they could get lost in there for years.
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Of course, I have nothing to do with the fandom.
How about House? They're already too crazy to bother worrying about it.
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CSI can have 'em, though. Or House. That fandom would swallow the insanity without even noticing.
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And Jaka thinks people hate Cam and Vala? And by extension, Ben and Claudia? Is he serious?
As my friend Kelly says, if you insist on living in a fantasy world, why not make it a happy one?
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Sadly, I'm pretty sure he is. Earlier this year he whined because Ben and Claudia were both married to other people. I flipped out.
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Too bad they have her having a crush for Daniel on SG1 and not for Cameron (Ben Browder aka John Chricton aka Astronut-pun intended). Claudia (Aeryn) and Ben are so great together, too bad Ben is already married.
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Oh, wait, I forgot who I was talking about.
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And can we boot them out of the fandom? All of them?
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Blah!
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These people are INSANE. Really!