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And, well, want to provide wank for your amusement... I refuse to go back and get the (slightly) wankier stuff when the TV Guide cover broke. 'cause, ugh, no.
But, the following is a (mostly) unexpurgated copy/paste of almost everything Teh List has had to say since '200' aired last night. I've tried to remove names, except for Jaka, 'cause he deserves all the random hate mail he gets.
Surprisingly, there is a little sanity. And also, at least eight people stuck their necks out and said they liked it.
Re: Episode 200
SPOILER SPACE
DUMB
=-
Jaka:
***Does that mean I was right and the ep was a dud?
=-
The writers of this episode should be ashamed of themselves. I can't
believe they wasted budget money and the fact they had RDA back, on
such an episode. Think I'll just stick with the fanfiction writers to
entertain me. Thank you to all of the great fanfiction writers!
=-
Hi
I dont usually post but I havent watch Stargate SG-1 since RDA left because I
loved the 4 originals together. So I watch the episode tonight hoping that
there would be some of the old chemistry.
I personally found the episode to be horrible - I cant believe they thought
this was going to be funny. The hype for RDA and he was only in for 10 minutes.
I will watch my DVD's and enjoy the original 4 again. RDA and AT chemistry is
still there, yet the comments made by the so called Producer of the movie upset
me - fans have waited all this time for some sort of closurer to Sam and Jack.
The hype I was hoping would give us that. This again is like X-files - we watch
for years hoping and finally get something at the end - but this time we watch
and they just make fun of the fans wanting Sam and Jack together - not even a
Kiss - and "David" kisses better come on Amanda - you broke alot of hearts with
that comment.
Well just my thoughts, now I will go back to just observing. Thanks for
listening.
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> and "David" kisses better come on Amanda - you
> broke alot of hearts with that comment.
that's why i'm not watching the '200' special before
the eps airs. i'm not going to let amanda (or anyone)
ruin this for me. i'm really, REALLY tired of hearing
her say this, so i'm not going to watch/listen to it.
and someday, i think it'll sink in what these ppl say
DOES effect how we respond.
but i'm going to watch the ep, because i haven't heard
anything horrible about it.
=-
DUMBER AND A HUGE LET DOWN!! Other than invisible Jack, disgusted comes to
mind!
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Jaka:
***So, this wasn't the 200th? When IS the real 200th
airing?
She actually said the guy who played Potato head
Shanahan kisses better than RDA? Is she crazy or just
tying to rile up and hurt the fans?
Well, this would be just another one in a long line of
stupid comments made by AT. Has she even said anything
intelligent and that wouldn't hurt fans or shippers in
the last 8 years of the show?
I can't remember not one positive comment.
A fellow fan described her to me precisely: she's the
one person that pisses off all factions of Stargate
fans with just one comment: no-romos, anti-romos, J&S
fans, Daniel fans, Sam fans, Jack fans,... everyone.
Seems she hasn't changed still. And such comments
coming from a woman who is 42...
Sidenote from Lyssie: I'd like to note that, yet again, the ACTOR is being picked on, and the mods are letting it slide right by, despite one of the rules of this list being "Leave the actors out of it." But then, we all know they agree with Jaka, or his little ass would have been banned long ao.
=-
Ok come on guys it wasn't that bad. I laughed at tons of it. I could have
done without Mitchell and Vala but the others were funny.
=-
I'll drink to that Dorothy. After the promo I was all hyped up because they
made it look do good. About half way through, I went and took my shower to
kill time until Atlantis came on. (Now that is what a good episode is)
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Jaka:
***I'm gonna indulge my childish side for once and
preen: I TOLD YOU SO!!!
I knew from the start when they started making such
big hype and those comments that it would just be one
load of crap. I mean, seriously, when has it ever
happened that TPTB EVER gave us something real and
good and solid?
Oh, yeah, what was with the wedding? AU again? Or a
dream?
When TPTB starts making a hype then I know nothing
good will come of it and warned you guys.
=-
Would you folks please remember that she's a married woman???
I'm sure she thinks that Alan (her real-life husband) kisses better than any
of her co-actors. Sam may love Jack, but Amanda loves Alan.
Don't you think that Alan knows that she's kidding around? And the guys
involved, as well? She socializes with these guys and their wives! Let's
give her a break... she's a very funny woman!
=-
And, because I wouldn't want you to think the entire list is Jaka-love... This is in response to Jaka.
Now, see, this is things being taken out of context. She did say that
RDA is a great kisser. And then she said she'd have to choose David
as the best kisser because it was exploring a side of Sam that they
hadn't gotten to play with before. And well, it's true. With the
Pete arc, Sam got to be a girl. Now, maybe I have a different view on
it because I came to Stargate late, and knew the fate of the Sam/Pete
relationship while watching it, but I can see that for AT, exploring a
new side of the character, the passionate kisses, was a lot of fun.
And she did say that RDA is a great kisser. So I don't think this was
an anti-Jack/Sam comment at all.
=-
And another sane voice in the wild
Okay. I think we've gone off track a bit.
Y'all, isn't it irrelevant who *Amanda* thinks kisses better? She's
an actor commenting on scenes from her perspective. Whatever she
says has about who kisses better has absolutely nothing to do with
how scenes play out in the show.
In *Stargate SG-1* Sam gave Pete the boot. That's what really
matters.
Besides, AT was commenting on how the scenes worked for her as an
actor--all the kissing scenes with RDA were fantasies, so apparently
that colored for her what was happening. But the scenes with DDL
were 'real' for her character. So, *for the character* the scenes
were more passionate because they happened in the 'real world' within
the show. I.E. For her, her *character* was involved in a mature
experience which allowed her to show sexual passion.
I think there are lots of things we can complain about, but AT's *own
opinion* of what she thought was happening with her character, and
her *own opinion* of who does better movie kisses can't be among
them.
=-
And a third! OMG. There are actually people with brains still on teh list
I'm usually a lurker, but I have to butt in here. Amanda explained very
clearly why she thought David Deluise was a better kisser. She said that they
were exploring a new side of Sam at the time, and the kisses were more
passionate due to the relationship, etc.
And she was talking about David and RDA...actors. She was asked a question,
and she answered it. It is absurd to think that she was "aiming" that comment at
the shippers.
=-
Oh, thank god. I was afrain hell was freezing over. The idiots speak again...
while i agree with what you're saying, there is
this... if someone knows that what they say is going
to upset certain ppl, why say it? amanda's been doing
this for 10 years now, and i *know* she knows how it
effects the shippers. so, again, why say it?
i, personally, think she's sick of this subject and
storyline, and she's taking it out ON the storyline.
and by association, the fans of the storyline. i've
heard enough.
=-
Jaka:
***Okay, before anyone else explains the same thing a
couple of times... What the ones who responded don't
know or ignore is that I haven't seen the ep myself
and am just gathering infor on it and am going along
with what I know and asking for more detailed
explanations.
So, I'm not making accusations, I'm just asking
pointed questions with the intent of finding out more.
=-
...Okay, that scene outside the shower was funny, I'll give that
credit. And the just appearing at the wedding was funny. And
alluding to all the fans who ship with Jack and Daniel being in a
relationship totally got shafted. Sorry guys. But the ending was SO
dissapointing. I think it's inspired me to actually write again.
Gasp! In fanfiction, you can make whatever you want happen. So, I
was sort of dissapointed that the team didn't really interact. They
should have. But, it's left to interpretation. Whateva.
=-
Okay, I didn't like the ep very much, but then I wasn't expecting
to. As I posted a long time ago, I was disappointed as soon as I
learned they were going to base ep 200 on Wormhole X-treme, which I
didn't like. This ep wasn't quite as bad, but there was only one
line that made me laugh, which is when Teal'c said, "Why does
everything have to explode?" For some reason, that just hit my funny
bone. His delivery was perfect.
The thing that shocked me -- and I know people are going to hate me
for saying this -- is the way that RDA looked. I thought he looked
old and fat. Okay, so I've just been watching some Season 1 episodes
on DVD, so maybe I noticed it more, but still. It makes me sad to
see him looking that way.
=-
More sanity! *shocked*
She says it because she was asked the question. This is her job, she
acts and answers interviews. She's going to answer the way she feels
as Amanda, she's not Sam. She can't just put on a face and lie in
interviews because it hurts other people feelings on how they take on
the episodes.
=-
Because... dude. I weep for the state of SF fans of today...
One thing I didn't get was, what the heck was with the wormhole extreme
Teal'c at the very end. Sputtering what seemed to be nonsense?
=-
I liked that they were paying attention and I liked the in jokes etc
but I really didn't find it that funny. I did laugh at some things but
it took until after the Star Trek thing before I found something
funny. I found it kind of boring actually and thought they were trying
too hard. It made me remember why I'm not watching stargate anymore -
I really couldn't care less about any of the characters or the plot
line. I wasn't really that keen on the wormhole extreme so maybe
that's why I don't like this.
=-
HAHAHAHAH
Jaka, in reply to others...
> I'm with you. I was laughing all the way through
> the episode. There
> were inside jokes about every season of the show and
> about SOOOOO many
> of the complaints/comments that have floated around
> the web.
***Yes, and this way they were making fun of them and
mocking fans.
I know
> many people don't like the spoof episodes. But, if
> you watch Wormhole
> Xtreme, Citizen Joe, and 200 with your tongue firmly
> implanted in your
> cheek, the shows are like love letters to the fans
> and the genre.
***More like spit in the face.
> They have paid ALOT of attention over the years to
> all the feedback
> and what's going on in the sci-fi tv world.
***They have paid attention, but obviously don't care
about fans since they were making fun of them. Fantasy
wedding? Cheap, ugly shot.
=-
Someone agrees with Jaka
>>I'm with you. I was laughing all the way through
>>the episode. There
>>were inside jokes about every season of the show and
>>about SOOOOO many
>>of the complaints/comments that have floated around
>>the web.
>>
>>
>
>***Yes, and this way they were making fun of them and
>mocking fans.
>
>
Agreed. The episode didn't completely suck, there were occasional funny
moments all through it. But some of the cracks at the fans that they
obviously thought were funny, I didn't. Oh, well, look on the bright
side. Every season seems to have a dud, so this season's dud is already
behind us--just a shame it had to be their big 200th episode
celebration. Onwards to Counterstrike, which should be everything that
200 wasn't.
=-
I have read all the comments posted about the episode "200" and I must admit....
I agree
with a lot of them. I am not one to sit and complain or hate the writters for
this one, but I
am sad that they waisted what could have been an AMAZING episode, having RDA
back.
I agree, it was very fun to watch them make fun of themselves and other shows,
but I was
expecting some closure to what Jack's been up to.
When he finally appeared (Hey, I thought he was going to make an entrance, at
least,
before half way through the episode!), we saw very little of himself. Although I
must say, I
enjoyed how he was all Jack O'Neill once again... the one we have missed so
much! But,
why couldn't they have given him a little more to do? or to say?
The invisible Colonel gig was very funny! one of my favorite parts of the whole
episode.
The wedding.... well, I am sorry to say, I have never expected anything like
that happen for
real on a show like Stargate, no matter how much I want it. But, I was hoping
Jack and Sam
would have a moment... at least something that would tell us they are together!
Instead, it
seemed like she hadn't really seen him in a while, reacting just like all the
others, not like
someone whom she would be involved with.... Yeah, after the wedding gig they
kinda
looked at each other, but nothing different from what they usually do. It didn't
tell me
anything, other than they have a some UST left.
I just don't get it! Why are they still holding off on the S/J subject; RDA is
not a regular on
the show, he's not her CO, and she is not with Pete... Why can't they be
together? Just
makes me so mad!
I am left with no inspiration and no hope for them at all... Sorry, I am just so
sad after
watching the show last night and I needed to vent.
Honestly, I wasn't expecting much, but I certainly thought we would get a little
more. Now,
I am regretfully admitting, there may not be a S/J in Stargate. It is only left
to fan fiction,
which is defenitely more entertaining and enjoyable.
=-
write them, tell them how you feel. in fact, i'd
just copy this post to a letter to them. another in
fact, i'd suggest anyone that isn't happy with how
they're handling the s/j relay to WRITE the powers
that be.
i still enjoyed the wedding scene, but you are totally
and completely right; there's no reason left why they
shouldn't be together.
i just hope this show doesn't give us our s/j
resolution like we saw for troi and riker on star trek
next gen (the last movie). they got married!, but it
was too little and too late. i was a huge troi/riker
shipper, but i was ho-hum by the time they gave me my
resolution. i can't imagine anything worse for a
writer(s) than fan apathy. wait too long, and that's
what happens.
so WRITE and let them know how you feel! (i'm doing
so)
=-
I may write to them. At least, let them know I am
dissapointed. I don't
think they'll do anything about it, but I do think it is important they know how
we feel!
Better make sure you use a spell checker, you idiot.
=-
Jaka:
+++They wasted a fabulous opportunity having jack with
them again. And instead of doing it properly, what did
they do? A screw up of a show...
It seems that they copied another one of the worst
producers out there... Bellisario and his 200th ep for
JAG. It's the same mockery out of shippers like it was
in JAG where he actually wanted to tell shippers they
should be glad H&M had never gotten together before,
much less in Sydney, cause their marriage would fail
and they would separate.
It's the same thing here... JAG used fantasy scenes,
SG used fantasy scenes, JAG made fun of shippers, SG
made fun of shippers,... see the constant?
All these failures of TPTB should just pack it up, go
do something they are actually good at and not this,
and leave the TPTB roles to people who actually are
competent and won't abuse and make fun of fans.
Remember how TPTB made fun of fans in past interviews
and when they put in Shanahan? It's the same thing.
Or perhaps they should go to be taught by Jim Henson
how to really produce a quality show. I mean, Farscape
was among the top 10 SCIFI productions of all times
and received numerous awards, more than SG. Not to
mention that Farscape TPTB actually GAVE fans and
shippers what those wanted and never made fun of them
or ridiculed them, which happens at SG constantly.
They should learn from Farscape.
=-
Jaka:
***I completely agree with you ***. It seems that
there is no more SJ left in this show. TPTB are either
making fun of us fans who want it, or making fun of SJ
or they are completely ignoring and denying it's very
existence.
There are no more obstacles standing in Jack and Sam's
way and still they haven't put them together. Those
frat regs were what I always suspected... just an
excuse and not a reason. If frat regs were an issue
they could've gotten around them... either gotten
together when one was on medical leave or, hell, they
also could've gotten married and then no-one could've
done anything against it. I don't believe that TPTB
even intended ever putting them together when they
first started S&J UST in the very first ep.
But that's just me, a fan and occasional shipper
that's been disappointed by so many shows before that
it's not even funny anymore.
=-
To be fair, "200" pokes fun at EVERYONE (they pointed the finger at
themselves several times) and not just S/J shipper fans and they made it
perfectly clear that the episode was intended to be one big inside joke
that long-time fans would get. If we can't laugh at ourselves now and
then, I think we're in danger of taking a tv show way too seriously.
"200" was not my favorite and never will be. I probably didn't find some
of the jokes as funny as the cast and crew obviously did but that's
life. I don't agree with a lot of people about a lot of things.
And despite recent developments, TPTB must have had some level of
competence over the past ten years or there wouldn't have been an
episode 200 and people like me who have watched from the very first
moment it aired on Showtime wouldn't still be watching.
Do I think it's as good as it once was? No, but I haven't turned it off
yet.
And you know what...new fans are tuning in and maybe that's the way it
is supposed to be. Whether we like it or not, things change. Blasting
the writers, producers, cast, and crew isn't going to do me any good
(and will probably give them fodder for the next "joke" episode). I
think we get more mileage out of the "Here's what I liked and think
you're doing well." comments/letters to TPTB than the the ones that are
nothing more than complaints.
Can I find something positive?
TPTB acknowledged the feelings of the fans regarding a variety of events
and were able to give a tounge in cheek admission that they messed some
stuff up.
=-
Jaka was patted on the head...
> Aw, (((((((nez)))))))
>
> It's too bad you feel this way.
>
> I didn't feel that way--it looked to me like they were mostly just
> goofing on themselves and that whatever teasing was aimed at the fans
> was done so affectionately.
>
> ***
***, I wouldn't feel this way if this were the first time they
had ever made fun of fans. Then I would think of it as teasing. But
the fact that they've been doing this kind of thing too often, in
almost every season several times, makes the joke sound more like an
insult than good natured teasing.
After 10 years of teasing with SJ UST and countless money we've spent
so we could watch the show, all the eps with outright SJ romance
(which, of course was in AU, they would rather kill themselves than
give us SJ romance in the original timeline), all those excuses about
frat regs (which are not even good enough excuses since they have some
MAJOR loop holes),... I think we're due some real SJ romance in the
ORIGINAL timeline, that would influence the show completely and
resolve the 10 years of tension. Just teasing us further and making
fun has become insulting.
It hurts me terribly to say this, but I have completely lost all the
faith I had of ever seeing S&J getting together on this show.
=-
De lurking to post my view.Who wanted the wedding? was it s/j or one of the
others.I too never found the ep funny at all as i have always thought of the
wizard Of Oz as the 4 real SG1 and was a bit peeved that it was 4 but did not
iclude s/j who are for me and will always be the real SG1 withTeal`c and
danny.Thanks to the PTB [not] who mabey tried to be funny but have just made me
angry as i feel they have poked fun at us once again,I dont know what to think
now .Btw to the person who posted jack was looking fat and old what can i say to
me IMO he looked just as hot as ever and mabey he can just save this show.I
know that TPTB cant keep everyone happy but this is just my Own opinion of this
ep.
hugs
xxx {fed up pissed off loyal shipper}
=-
More sanity from the same girl who was sane, previously...
I know some of y'all feel there was no S/J ship in "200" and that
they wasted an opportunity to use RDA.
RDA first: As for me, from my understanding from
watching "Inside '200'" they'd already built the 200th episode
assuming RDA wouldn't return. The whole "invisible Jack" sequence
and the puppet sequence were deliberate jokes that allowed them to
include 'Jack O'Neill'even if RDA didn't participate. When he got
there *he* wanted to do the invisible sequence in the green suit.
And there were some cute bits about Mitchell's inadequacies--"The
character is based on Jack O'Neill, not you>" LOL.
I liked "200"--and I liked the fact that each senario was *very*
short. I'd have liked more of the wedding and less of the puppets,
but some sequences that I was worried about--like "The Wizard of Oz"
zipped by with just the right amount of attention.
S/J: The episode was never supposed to be shippy--it was supposed to
be a send up of all the plot absurdities over the years. If you
think S/J ship is absurd, then maybe there should have been a whole
lot more. What *I* saw was a sweet acknowledgement that if there was
going to be a wedding, it would be between Sam and Jack. I saw a
sweet scene with a nervous Jack and some Great dialog (roughly:
Jack: Nice entrance
Sam: Sorry, sir.
Jack: Carter?
Sam: Jack.
Jack: Better.
And the joke was that the 'wedding march' was the Stargate themesong
played on the organ (I didn't discover that at the time, but I wish I
had!)
And then AFTER the wedding fantasy, Sam and Jack just look at each
other like they're sharing a secret.
The episode was *never* supposed to be about ship, so I guess I'm
surprised that people are disappointed. The episode was about
Fantasy Senarios--all the "what if we did this?!?!?!" possibilities.
When I heard about the wedding scene in "200," my biggest fear was
that when it was over we'd see all the characters react with
disbelief or disgust. But that didn't happen. The joke *could* have
been the very idea of Sam and Jack getting married-- but it wasn't.
It was the slash that was made fun of with Daniel's worrying that if
Sam didn't show up soon, the congregation would think he and Jack
were getting married. Jack's reaction? Total bewilderment. LOL.
It was Thor's entrance followed by Sam's and Vala's that were funny.
And the dialog was sweetly amusing. It addressed the fact that Sam
still calls Jack, "sir," and he still calls her "Carter," but it left
us with her clearly calling him 'Jack.'
And, to repeat, when the scene was over, there wasn't the outright
rejection that we saw with the other senarios. Instead there were
deliberate cuts to Sam and Jack.
In an episode that was supposed to be a series of parodies of
ridiculous ideas, I think S/J ship came out very well. It came out
verified and accepted. That was more than *I* expected.
=-
more who kisses...
Really, if you think about it, how could you not have had more fun filming that
scene in Sam's hallway with Pete than the chaste kisses she and Jack have
shared? I bet it was a lot of fun!
=-
A bit more sane-ness. Plus some jabs at Farscape. Gosh, these SG fans are bitter about Ben and Claudia.
Hey guys. So, the first thing I want to say is that I am incredibly
disappointed with all of
you who gave this episode a negative critique, maybe something just because you
didn't
get exactly what you wanted? Some of your comments really pissed me off. Like,
that the
writers should be ashamed of this episode? Or that Amanda Tapping is personally
going
after the storyline of Sam and Jack romantically? I'm sorry, but this is going
to be quite a
long message.
The writers of SG-1 have had ten terrific seasons. They've done some incredible
stuff.
You all know it, or you wouldn't still be watching the show. In episode 200,
they made fun
of themselves the entire way through, from the writers, to the actors. Here are
the first
few things that come to mind.
Examples;
1. Martin made it clear that his lead character was based on 'O'Neill' not
'Mitchell' and
Mitchell got a mad look on his face. They put Mitchell in his place, I thought
that was
hilarious.
2. Carter went on about how Martin could go on without a lead. 'Reference to
him, have
him on the phone a few times...' That was a reference to O'Neill being gone,
and I thought
that was really courageous to pick on themselves about that.
3. They made fun of FARSCAPE. Ben and Claudia's show. COME ON PEOPLE. If
they did
that, out of fun, and to make fun of eachother, than why in the world should the
writers be
ashamed.
4. In the special, yes, Amanda Tapping said that David's kisses were more
passionate,
because she was playing a character that had never gotten to have a good
relationship in
the 9 years she was on the show. She always dreamed of kissing O'Neill, and
those kisses
were fantasy. They weren't as close to the character's heart. That deffinetly
wasn't a jab
to fans. I think that accusation is simply ridiculous. She's an amazing
actress, and a
brilliantly funny woman. She was simply answering a question.
Anyway, I could go on and on about this. But for us shippers, there were quite
a few
moments in there for us. Let me count. The naked Carter in the shower with
O'Neill being
invisible. The marriage of Jack and Carter, with her calling him 'Jack', and
the obvious
moment thereafter where Carter and Jack looked at eachother both smiling to
themselves.
They're together. We know it. Also, I personally think they're together
because of the
different aspects that Amanda has been putting on the character. This season,
if you
watch closely, she has picked up SO many of his manorisms, and sayings. 'Ya
think?' 'Oh
for crying out loud.' She has said those two a couple different times during
this past
season and then end of season 9. There was something in this episode for
everyone.
Even Jack/Daniel shippers, at the hilarious moment at the wedding. They even
mentioned
the save Dr. Jackson site, and made fun of Micheal Shanks for leaving and dieing
so many
times. Any show that can make fun of itself like that is brilliant and
courageous in it's
writing, and in it's paying attention to what the fans want. After the wedding,
with
Martin's line "Come on, why would I put that in there, to purposely torture the
fans?"
They're giving us a hard time, TPTB know what we want, and I firmly believe that
whenever
they wrap this up, if in a movie or in a final season, we'll get it. It'll
happen.
So, feel free to tear apart at me, but I know that there are a lot of you out
there that
completely agree with me. I'm sharing my high praise of the Stargate SG-1 cast
and crew.
If you have to, take a shot at me. But I think in this case, they are
brilliant, if not a little
crazy.
=-
See? So fucking bitter.
Couldn't agree more. I watched it again this morning and they shared a
look...Sam gave a small smile - like she had a secret and Jack looked at her - I
don't know how to describe it! Maybe I'm seeing more into than is there, but
maybe they've already been thru a wedding????? Neither character seemed overly
disgusted by the idea - maybe the scenario hit a little too close to reality?
I am one of those lurkers that rarely gives input except to complain - I don't
like Vala or Mitchell, hated Season 9, want the old SG-1 back and would rather
watch videos/reruns than the 'new team'. I watched 200 knowing there would be no
REAL resolution between S and J, but wanted to see Jack back and interactions
with the team. I have to say I liked 200 - surprisingly since all I do is gripe
about the show of late. Didnt love it, but I thought it was pretty good.
Here's hoping that in the next ep with Jack he has a bigger part!!
......
But, the following is a (mostly) unexpurgated copy/paste of almost everything Teh List has had to say since '200' aired last night. I've tried to remove names, except for Jaka, 'cause he deserves all the random hate mail he gets.
Surprisingly, there is a little sanity. And also, at least eight people stuck their necks out and said they liked it.
Re: Episode 200
SPOILER SPACE
DUMB
=-
Jaka:
***Does that mean I was right and the ep was a dud?
=-
The writers of this episode should be ashamed of themselves. I can't
believe they wasted budget money and the fact they had RDA back, on
such an episode. Think I'll just stick with the fanfiction writers to
entertain me. Thank you to all of the great fanfiction writers!
=-
Hi
I dont usually post but I havent watch Stargate SG-1 since RDA left because I
loved the 4 originals together. So I watch the episode tonight hoping that
there would be some of the old chemistry.
I personally found the episode to be horrible - I cant believe they thought
this was going to be funny. The hype for RDA and he was only in for 10 minutes.
I will watch my DVD's and enjoy the original 4 again. RDA and AT chemistry is
still there, yet the comments made by the so called Producer of the movie upset
me - fans have waited all this time for some sort of closurer to Sam and Jack.
The hype I was hoping would give us that. This again is like X-files - we watch
for years hoping and finally get something at the end - but this time we watch
and they just make fun of the fans wanting Sam and Jack together - not even a
Kiss - and "David" kisses better come on Amanda - you broke alot of hearts with
that comment.
Well just my thoughts, now I will go back to just observing. Thanks for
listening.
=-
> and "David" kisses better come on Amanda - you
> broke alot of hearts with that comment.
that's why i'm not watching the '200' special before
the eps airs. i'm not going to let amanda (or anyone)
ruin this for me. i'm really, REALLY tired of hearing
her say this, so i'm not going to watch/listen to it.
and someday, i think it'll sink in what these ppl say
DOES effect how we respond.
but i'm going to watch the ep, because i haven't heard
anything horrible about it.
=-
DUMBER AND A HUGE LET DOWN!! Other than invisible Jack, disgusted comes to
mind!
=-
Jaka:
***So, this wasn't the 200th? When IS the real 200th
airing?
She actually said the guy who played Potato head
Shanahan kisses better than RDA? Is she crazy or just
tying to rile up and hurt the fans?
Well, this would be just another one in a long line of
stupid comments made by AT. Has she even said anything
intelligent and that wouldn't hurt fans or shippers in
the last 8 years of the show?
I can't remember not one positive comment.
A fellow fan described her to me precisely: she's the
one person that pisses off all factions of Stargate
fans with just one comment: no-romos, anti-romos, J&S
fans, Daniel fans, Sam fans, Jack fans,... everyone.
Seems she hasn't changed still. And such comments
coming from a woman who is 42...
Sidenote from Lyssie: I'd like to note that, yet again, the ACTOR is being picked on, and the mods are letting it slide right by, despite one of the rules of this list being "Leave the actors out of it." But then, we all know they agree with Jaka, or his little ass would have been banned long ao.
=-
Ok come on guys it wasn't that bad. I laughed at tons of it. I could have
done without Mitchell and Vala but the others were funny.
=-
I'll drink to that Dorothy. After the promo I was all hyped up because they
made it look do good. About half way through, I went and took my shower to
kill time until Atlantis came on. (Now that is what a good episode is)
=-
Jaka:
***I'm gonna indulge my childish side for once and
preen: I TOLD YOU SO!!!
I knew from the start when they started making such
big hype and those comments that it would just be one
load of crap. I mean, seriously, when has it ever
happened that TPTB EVER gave us something real and
good and solid?
Oh, yeah, what was with the wedding? AU again? Or a
dream?
When TPTB starts making a hype then I know nothing
good will come of it and warned you guys.
=-
Would you folks please remember that she's a married woman???
I'm sure she thinks that Alan (her real-life husband) kisses better than any
of her co-actors. Sam may love Jack, but Amanda loves Alan.
Don't you think that Alan knows that she's kidding around? And the guys
involved, as well? She socializes with these guys and their wives! Let's
give her a break... she's a very funny woman!
=-
And, because I wouldn't want you to think the entire list is Jaka-love... This is in response to Jaka.
Now, see, this is things being taken out of context. She did say that
RDA is a great kisser. And then she said she'd have to choose David
as the best kisser because it was exploring a side of Sam that they
hadn't gotten to play with before. And well, it's true. With the
Pete arc, Sam got to be a girl. Now, maybe I have a different view on
it because I came to Stargate late, and knew the fate of the Sam/Pete
relationship while watching it, but I can see that for AT, exploring a
new side of the character, the passionate kisses, was a lot of fun.
And she did say that RDA is a great kisser. So I don't think this was
an anti-Jack/Sam comment at all.
=-
And another sane voice in the wild
Okay. I think we've gone off track a bit.
Y'all, isn't it irrelevant who *Amanda* thinks kisses better? She's
an actor commenting on scenes from her perspective. Whatever she
says has about who kisses better has absolutely nothing to do with
how scenes play out in the show.
In *Stargate SG-1* Sam gave Pete the boot. That's what really
matters.
Besides, AT was commenting on how the scenes worked for her as an
actor--all the kissing scenes with RDA were fantasies, so apparently
that colored for her what was happening. But the scenes with DDL
were 'real' for her character. So, *for the character* the scenes
were more passionate because they happened in the 'real world' within
the show. I.E. For her, her *character* was involved in a mature
experience which allowed her to show sexual passion.
I think there are lots of things we can complain about, but AT's *own
opinion* of what she thought was happening with her character, and
her *own opinion* of who does better movie kisses can't be among
them.
=-
And a third! OMG. There are actually people with brains still on teh list
I'm usually a lurker, but I have to butt in here. Amanda explained very
clearly why she thought David Deluise was a better kisser. She said that they
were exploring a new side of Sam at the time, and the kisses were more
passionate due to the relationship, etc.
And she was talking about David and RDA...actors. She was asked a question,
and she answered it. It is absurd to think that she was "aiming" that comment at
the shippers.
=-
Oh, thank god. I was afrain hell was freezing over. The idiots speak again...
while i agree with what you're saying, there is
this... if someone knows that what they say is going
to upset certain ppl, why say it? amanda's been doing
this for 10 years now, and i *know* she knows how it
effects the shippers. so, again, why say it?
i, personally, think she's sick of this subject and
storyline, and she's taking it out ON the storyline.
and by association, the fans of the storyline. i've
heard enough.
=-
Jaka:
***Okay, before anyone else explains the same thing a
couple of times... What the ones who responded don't
know or ignore is that I haven't seen the ep myself
and am just gathering infor on it and am going along
with what I know and asking for more detailed
explanations.
So, I'm not making accusations, I'm just asking
pointed questions with the intent of finding out more.
=-
...Okay, that scene outside the shower was funny, I'll give that
credit. And the just appearing at the wedding was funny. And
alluding to all the fans who ship with Jack and Daniel being in a
relationship totally got shafted. Sorry guys. But the ending was SO
dissapointing. I think it's inspired me to actually write again.
Gasp! In fanfiction, you can make whatever you want happen. So, I
was sort of dissapointed that the team didn't really interact. They
should have. But, it's left to interpretation. Whateva.
=-
Okay, I didn't like the ep very much, but then I wasn't expecting
to. As I posted a long time ago, I was disappointed as soon as I
learned they were going to base ep 200 on Wormhole X-treme, which I
didn't like. This ep wasn't quite as bad, but there was only one
line that made me laugh, which is when Teal'c said, "Why does
everything have to explode?" For some reason, that just hit my funny
bone. His delivery was perfect.
The thing that shocked me -- and I know people are going to hate me
for saying this -- is the way that RDA looked. I thought he looked
old and fat. Okay, so I've just been watching some Season 1 episodes
on DVD, so maybe I noticed it more, but still. It makes me sad to
see him looking that way.
=-
More sanity! *shocked*
She says it because she was asked the question. This is her job, she
acts and answers interviews. She's going to answer the way she feels
as Amanda, she's not Sam. She can't just put on a face and lie in
interviews because it hurts other people feelings on how they take on
the episodes.
=-
Because... dude. I weep for the state of SF fans of today...
One thing I didn't get was, what the heck was with the wormhole extreme
Teal'c at the very end. Sputtering what seemed to be nonsense?
=-
I liked that they were paying attention and I liked the in jokes etc
but I really didn't find it that funny. I did laugh at some things but
it took until after the Star Trek thing before I found something
funny. I found it kind of boring actually and thought they were trying
too hard. It made me remember why I'm not watching stargate anymore -
I really couldn't care less about any of the characters or the plot
line. I wasn't really that keen on the wormhole extreme so maybe
that's why I don't like this.
=-
HAHAHAHAH
Jaka, in reply to others...
> I'm with you. I was laughing all the way through
> the episode. There
> were inside jokes about every season of the show and
> about SOOOOO many
> of the complaints/comments that have floated around
> the web.
***Yes, and this way they were making fun of them and
mocking fans.
I know
> many people don't like the spoof episodes. But, if
> you watch Wormhole
> Xtreme, Citizen Joe, and 200 with your tongue firmly
> implanted in your
> cheek, the shows are like love letters to the fans
> and the genre.
***More like spit in the face.
> They have paid ALOT of attention over the years to
> all the feedback
> and what's going on in the sci-fi tv world.
***They have paid attention, but obviously don't care
about fans since they were making fun of them. Fantasy
wedding? Cheap, ugly shot.
=-
Someone agrees with Jaka
>>I'm with you. I was laughing all the way through
>>the episode. There
>>were inside jokes about every season of the show and
>>about SOOOOO many
>>of the complaints/comments that have floated around
>>the web.
>>
>>
>
>***Yes, and this way they were making fun of them and
>mocking fans.
>
>
Agreed. The episode didn't completely suck, there were occasional funny
moments all through it. But some of the cracks at the fans that they
obviously thought were funny, I didn't. Oh, well, look on the bright
side. Every season seems to have a dud, so this season's dud is already
behind us--just a shame it had to be their big 200th episode
celebration. Onwards to Counterstrike, which should be everything that
200 wasn't.
=-
I have read all the comments posted about the episode "200" and I must admit....
I agree
with a lot of them. I am not one to sit and complain or hate the writters for
this one, but I
am sad that they waisted what could have been an AMAZING episode, having RDA
back.
I agree, it was very fun to watch them make fun of themselves and other shows,
but I was
expecting some closure to what Jack's been up to.
When he finally appeared (Hey, I thought he was going to make an entrance, at
least,
before half way through the episode!), we saw very little of himself. Although I
must say, I
enjoyed how he was all Jack O'Neill once again... the one we have missed so
much! But,
why couldn't they have given him a little more to do? or to say?
The invisible Colonel gig was very funny! one of my favorite parts of the whole
episode.
The wedding.... well, I am sorry to say, I have never expected anything like
that happen for
real on a show like Stargate, no matter how much I want it. But, I was hoping
Jack and Sam
would have a moment... at least something that would tell us they are together!
Instead, it
seemed like she hadn't really seen him in a while, reacting just like all the
others, not like
someone whom she would be involved with.... Yeah, after the wedding gig they
kinda
looked at each other, but nothing different from what they usually do. It didn't
tell me
anything, other than they have a some UST left.
I just don't get it! Why are they still holding off on the S/J subject; RDA is
not a regular on
the show, he's not her CO, and she is not with Pete... Why can't they be
together? Just
makes me so mad!
I am left with no inspiration and no hope for them at all... Sorry, I am just so
sad after
watching the show last night and I needed to vent.
Honestly, I wasn't expecting much, but I certainly thought we would get a little
more. Now,
I am regretfully admitting, there may not be a S/J in Stargate. It is only left
to fan fiction,
which is defenitely more entertaining and enjoyable.
=-
write them, tell them how you feel. in fact, i'd
just copy this post to a letter to them. another in
fact, i'd suggest anyone that isn't happy with how
they're handling the s/j relay to WRITE the powers
that be.
i still enjoyed the wedding scene, but you are totally
and completely right; there's no reason left why they
shouldn't be together.
i just hope this show doesn't give us our s/j
resolution like we saw for troi and riker on star trek
next gen (the last movie). they got married!, but it
was too little and too late. i was a huge troi/riker
shipper, but i was ho-hum by the time they gave me my
resolution. i can't imagine anything worse for a
writer(s) than fan apathy. wait too long, and that's
what happens.
so WRITE and let them know how you feel! (i'm doing
so)
=-
I may write to them. At least, let them know I am
dissapointed. I don't
think they'll do anything about it, but I do think it is important they know how
we feel!
Better make sure you use a spell checker, you idiot.
=-
Jaka:
+++They wasted a fabulous opportunity having jack with
them again. And instead of doing it properly, what did
they do? A screw up of a show...
It seems that they copied another one of the worst
producers out there... Bellisario and his 200th ep for
JAG. It's the same mockery out of shippers like it was
in JAG where he actually wanted to tell shippers they
should be glad H&M had never gotten together before,
much less in Sydney, cause their marriage would fail
and they would separate.
It's the same thing here... JAG used fantasy scenes,
SG used fantasy scenes, JAG made fun of shippers, SG
made fun of shippers,... see the constant?
All these failures of TPTB should just pack it up, go
do something they are actually good at and not this,
and leave the TPTB roles to people who actually are
competent and won't abuse and make fun of fans.
Remember how TPTB made fun of fans in past interviews
and when they put in Shanahan? It's the same thing.
Or perhaps they should go to be taught by Jim Henson
how to really produce a quality show. I mean, Farscape
was among the top 10 SCIFI productions of all times
and received numerous awards, more than SG. Not to
mention that Farscape TPTB actually GAVE fans and
shippers what those wanted and never made fun of them
or ridiculed them, which happens at SG constantly.
They should learn from Farscape.
=-
Jaka:
***I completely agree with you ***. It seems that
there is no more SJ left in this show. TPTB are either
making fun of us fans who want it, or making fun of SJ
or they are completely ignoring and denying it's very
existence.
There are no more obstacles standing in Jack and Sam's
way and still they haven't put them together. Those
frat regs were what I always suspected... just an
excuse and not a reason. If frat regs were an issue
they could've gotten around them... either gotten
together when one was on medical leave or, hell, they
also could've gotten married and then no-one could've
done anything against it. I don't believe that TPTB
even intended ever putting them together when they
first started S&J UST in the very first ep.
But that's just me, a fan and occasional shipper
that's been disappointed by so many shows before that
it's not even funny anymore.
=-
To be fair, "200" pokes fun at EVERYONE (they pointed the finger at
themselves several times) and not just S/J shipper fans and they made it
perfectly clear that the episode was intended to be one big inside joke
that long-time fans would get. If we can't laugh at ourselves now and
then, I think we're in danger of taking a tv show way too seriously.
"200" was not my favorite and never will be. I probably didn't find some
of the jokes as funny as the cast and crew obviously did but that's
life. I don't agree with a lot of people about a lot of things.
And despite recent developments, TPTB must have had some level of
competence over the past ten years or there wouldn't have been an
episode 200 and people like me who have watched from the very first
moment it aired on Showtime wouldn't still be watching.
Do I think it's as good as it once was? No, but I haven't turned it off
yet.
And you know what...new fans are tuning in and maybe that's the way it
is supposed to be. Whether we like it or not, things change. Blasting
the writers, producers, cast, and crew isn't going to do me any good
(and will probably give them fodder for the next "joke" episode). I
think we get more mileage out of the "Here's what I liked and think
you're doing well." comments/letters to TPTB than the the ones that are
nothing more than complaints.
Can I find something positive?
TPTB acknowledged the feelings of the fans regarding a variety of events
and were able to give a tounge in cheek admission that they messed some
stuff up.
=-
Jaka was patted on the head...
> Aw, (((((((nez)))))))
>
> It's too bad you feel this way.
>
> I didn't feel that way--it looked to me like they were mostly just
> goofing on themselves and that whatever teasing was aimed at the fans
> was done so affectionately.
>
> ***
***, I wouldn't feel this way if this were the first time they
had ever made fun of fans. Then I would think of it as teasing. But
the fact that they've been doing this kind of thing too often, in
almost every season several times, makes the joke sound more like an
insult than good natured teasing.
After 10 years of teasing with SJ UST and countless money we've spent
so we could watch the show, all the eps with outright SJ romance
(which, of course was in AU, they would rather kill themselves than
give us SJ romance in the original timeline), all those excuses about
frat regs (which are not even good enough excuses since they have some
MAJOR loop holes),... I think we're due some real SJ romance in the
ORIGINAL timeline, that would influence the show completely and
resolve the 10 years of tension. Just teasing us further and making
fun has become insulting.
It hurts me terribly to say this, but I have completely lost all the
faith I had of ever seeing S&J getting together on this show.
=-
De lurking to post my view.Who wanted the wedding? was it s/j or one of the
others.I too never found the ep funny at all as i have always thought of the
wizard Of Oz as the 4 real SG1 and was a bit peeved that it was 4 but did not
iclude s/j who are for me and will always be the real SG1 withTeal`c and
danny.Thanks to the PTB [not] who mabey tried to be funny but have just made me
angry as i feel they have poked fun at us once again,I dont know what to think
now .Btw to the person who posted jack was looking fat and old what can i say to
me IMO he looked just as hot as ever and mabey he can just save this show.I
know that TPTB cant keep everyone happy but this is just my Own opinion of this
ep.
hugs
xxx {fed up pissed off loyal shipper}
=-
More sanity from the same girl who was sane, previously...
I know some of y'all feel there was no S/J ship in "200" and that
they wasted an opportunity to use RDA.
RDA first: As for me, from my understanding from
watching "Inside '200'" they'd already built the 200th episode
assuming RDA wouldn't return. The whole "invisible Jack" sequence
and the puppet sequence were deliberate jokes that allowed them to
include 'Jack O'Neill'even if RDA didn't participate. When he got
there *he* wanted to do the invisible sequence in the green suit.
And there were some cute bits about Mitchell's inadequacies--"The
character is based on Jack O'Neill, not you>" LOL.
I liked "200"--and I liked the fact that each senario was *very*
short. I'd have liked more of the wedding and less of the puppets,
but some sequences that I was worried about--like "The Wizard of Oz"
zipped by with just the right amount of attention.
S/J: The episode was never supposed to be shippy--it was supposed to
be a send up of all the plot absurdities over the years. If you
think S/J ship is absurd, then maybe there should have been a whole
lot more. What *I* saw was a sweet acknowledgement that if there was
going to be a wedding, it would be between Sam and Jack. I saw a
sweet scene with a nervous Jack and some Great dialog (roughly:
Jack: Nice entrance
Sam: Sorry, sir.
Jack: Carter?
Sam: Jack.
Jack: Better.
And the joke was that the 'wedding march' was the Stargate themesong
played on the organ (I didn't discover that at the time, but I wish I
had!)
And then AFTER the wedding fantasy, Sam and Jack just look at each
other like they're sharing a secret.
The episode was *never* supposed to be about ship, so I guess I'm
surprised that people are disappointed. The episode was about
Fantasy Senarios--all the "what if we did this?!?!?!" possibilities.
When I heard about the wedding scene in "200," my biggest fear was
that when it was over we'd see all the characters react with
disbelief or disgust. But that didn't happen. The joke *could* have
been the very idea of Sam and Jack getting married-- but it wasn't.
It was the slash that was made fun of with Daniel's worrying that if
Sam didn't show up soon, the congregation would think he and Jack
were getting married. Jack's reaction? Total bewilderment. LOL.
It was Thor's entrance followed by Sam's and Vala's that were funny.
And the dialog was sweetly amusing. It addressed the fact that Sam
still calls Jack, "sir," and he still calls her "Carter," but it left
us with her clearly calling him 'Jack.'
And, to repeat, when the scene was over, there wasn't the outright
rejection that we saw with the other senarios. Instead there were
deliberate cuts to Sam and Jack.
In an episode that was supposed to be a series of parodies of
ridiculous ideas, I think S/J ship came out very well. It came out
verified and accepted. That was more than *I* expected.
=-
more who kisses...
Really, if you think about it, how could you not have had more fun filming that
scene in Sam's hallway with Pete than the chaste kisses she and Jack have
shared? I bet it was a lot of fun!
=-
A bit more sane-ness. Plus some jabs at Farscape. Gosh, these SG fans are bitter about Ben and Claudia.
Hey guys. So, the first thing I want to say is that I am incredibly
disappointed with all of
you who gave this episode a negative critique, maybe something just because you
didn't
get exactly what you wanted? Some of your comments really pissed me off. Like,
that the
writers should be ashamed of this episode? Or that Amanda Tapping is personally
going
after the storyline of Sam and Jack romantically? I'm sorry, but this is going
to be quite a
long message.
The writers of SG-1 have had ten terrific seasons. They've done some incredible
stuff.
You all know it, or you wouldn't still be watching the show. In episode 200,
they made fun
of themselves the entire way through, from the writers, to the actors. Here are
the first
few things that come to mind.
Examples;
1. Martin made it clear that his lead character was based on 'O'Neill' not
'Mitchell' and
Mitchell got a mad look on his face. They put Mitchell in his place, I thought
that was
hilarious.
2. Carter went on about how Martin could go on without a lead. 'Reference to
him, have
him on the phone a few times...' That was a reference to O'Neill being gone,
and I thought
that was really courageous to pick on themselves about that.
3. They made fun of FARSCAPE. Ben and Claudia's show. COME ON PEOPLE. If
they did
that, out of fun, and to make fun of eachother, than why in the world should the
writers be
ashamed.
4. In the special, yes, Amanda Tapping said that David's kisses were more
passionate,
because she was playing a character that had never gotten to have a good
relationship in
the 9 years she was on the show. She always dreamed of kissing O'Neill, and
those kisses
were fantasy. They weren't as close to the character's heart. That deffinetly
wasn't a jab
to fans. I think that accusation is simply ridiculous. She's an amazing
actress, and a
brilliantly funny woman. She was simply answering a question.
Anyway, I could go on and on about this. But for us shippers, there were quite
a few
moments in there for us. Let me count. The naked Carter in the shower with
O'Neill being
invisible. The marriage of Jack and Carter, with her calling him 'Jack', and
the obvious
moment thereafter where Carter and Jack looked at eachother both smiling to
themselves.
They're together. We know it. Also, I personally think they're together
because of the
different aspects that Amanda has been putting on the character. This season,
if you
watch closely, she has picked up SO many of his manorisms, and sayings. 'Ya
think?' 'Oh
for crying out loud.' She has said those two a couple different times during
this past
season and then end of season 9. There was something in this episode for
everyone.
Even Jack/Daniel shippers, at the hilarious moment at the wedding. They even
mentioned
the save Dr. Jackson site, and made fun of Micheal Shanks for leaving and dieing
so many
times. Any show that can make fun of itself like that is brilliant and
courageous in it's
writing, and in it's paying attention to what the fans want. After the wedding,
with
Martin's line "Come on, why would I put that in there, to purposely torture the
fans?"
They're giving us a hard time, TPTB know what we want, and I firmly believe that
whenever
they wrap this up, if in a movie or in a final season, we'll get it. It'll
happen.
So, feel free to tear apart at me, but I know that there are a lot of you out
there that
completely agree with me. I'm sharing my high praise of the Stargate SG-1 cast
and crew.
If you have to, take a shot at me. But I think in this case, they are
brilliant, if not a little
crazy.
=-
See? So fucking bitter.
Couldn't agree more. I watched it again this morning and they shared a
look...Sam gave a small smile - like she had a secret and Jack looked at her - I
don't know how to describe it! Maybe I'm seeing more into than is there, but
maybe they've already been thru a wedding????? Neither character seemed overly
disgusted by the idea - maybe the scenario hit a little too close to reality?
I am one of those lurkers that rarely gives input except to complain - I don't
like Vala or Mitchell, hated Season 9, want the old SG-1 back and would rather
watch videos/reruns than the 'new team'. I watched 200 knowing there would be no
REAL resolution between S and J, but wanted to see Jack back and interactions
with the team. I have to say I liked 200 - surprisingly since all I do is gripe
about the show of late. Didnt love it, but I thought it was pretty good.
Here's hoping that in the next ep with Jack he has a bigger part!!
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And what Marty said, after the wedding scene? A-fucking-men.
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I just wish that the extremists wouldn't make it so hard on the rest of us. No matter what character you like most, or which pairing you enjoy, it seems you're always defined by the more vocal and "out there" folk.
Talk about life imitating art and art imitating life...
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Do you think it would work?
Genius!
One could only hope. :D
Re: Genius!
My god, I'm so glad that I miss all the wank on the S/J list. If it weren't for Lyss, I'd be pretty darn clueless as I sit under my rock. I loved the episode.
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some people up there said there's no more SJ in the show.
WELL NO FUCKING DUH, THE J PART OF TEH EQUATION LEFT THE SHOW, you fucking idiots, of course there's no sam/jack in the show, there's no JACK! And even with Jack GONE, they give us some SJ, like the scene where Sam says she's 'not quite' single.
And these people's main problem is that they CLEARLY take themselves, their shipping, and SG-1 WAY too fucking seriously. first of all, half the show is comedy so they shouldn't be taking the show seriously too often, and second of all, you cannot laugh at anything or have any fun in life you can't laugh at yourself, first. I personally do think it's laughable that i love a silly show like SG-1 and i do NOT take myself or it seriously, in the fandom sense, because it's not real life - it's not that damn serious. You have to realize it is funny that you care so much about a scifi cable TV show, and all the making fun of the fans that they give you is out of love... it's like when little boys tease little girls cuz they like them, i mean come the fuck on...
these people need to go walk off a cliff in drones like the little lemmings they are...
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I love the people getting all indignant about the idea that David DeLuise could possibly be a better kisser than RDA. LIKE THEY WOULD KNOW BETTER!
And I am reminded once again that everything TPTB do is all about the Sam/Jack shippers. I keep forgetting that. Wonder why?
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and I just wanted to say that I loved the puppets. :)
sharon
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Some of these supposed SG1 fans need to have Websnarks' essay on fannish entitlement force read to them.
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happened that TPTB EVER gave us something real and
good and solid?"
I dunno, but surely somewhere in the last ten years? I mean, there must be SOME reason they like the show, right? =)
And I must not be a fan of the show, since Tapping pisses off all fans, huh? Never pissed me off...
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I see no reason for the whole "OMG I'm ashamed of being a S/J shipper!/S/J shippers = BATSU SHITU CURAZY!" thing, however.
I'll bet you 10 bucks that somewhere, in another part of fandom, some people are complaining about the lack of Jack/Daniel scenes/the wedding ultraje/the SDJ.com reference/PICK YOUR GRIPE.
This is INTERBET FANDOM, after all! Land of the perspective-less and home of the nutjobs.
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And I thought most people had that attitude.
I guess there is no pleasing everyone. :(
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I tend to find that labeling fans of character/pairing X as "the most crazy!" while everybody else in the fandom is "sane" a little... disingenuous, especially considering how fandom works and the very obsessive nature of being a fan of anything.
When you strip it down, what is actually being claimed is that there's something inherently bad or wrong about liking character/pairing X, and that liking it and being 'sane' = oddity. Which is just obnoxious and arrogant in, like, a bazillion levels.
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It's been my experience that every part of the fandom, whether it's for a certain character or a certain pairing have people that take things too far. They don't represent everyone in their corner of the fandom, but many times people see it that way.
It's not fair at all, but it happens.
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And what I'm saying is that, in my experience, there's a tendency in fandom to attribute the craziness to one (diverse) group based entirely on the preferences that brought said diverse group together. A tendency that I find unhelpful and, well, dumb.
I don't believe for one second that, say, crazy Harry/Hermione fans are any crazier than other crazy, non-Harry/Hermione fans in the HP fandom (to use a well-known example), no matter how legendary their tales are on f_w.
They're (crazy) fans. Who like Harry/Hermione. That's the only common denominator. Labeling them as pertaining to a particular brand of batshit because they like Harry/Hermione is like saying that people who like the colour yellow are particularly prone to stealing money from the elderly.
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And apparently I just, like, replied saying the exact same thing. Only more verbosely!
HA! *lamez00rs*
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That's okay. I just think we had momentary miscommunication there for a second.
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I'm thinking those of us who are (reasonably) sane and ship S/J need a new designator. Any suggestions?
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Heck, I'll support you sane folk no matter what. Sane shippers of every pairings should not be sterotyped by those that ruin it for the rest.
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Can you imagine what would happen if we got them together with the crazy A/S people (some of whom I understand are also S/J shippers)? The interwebs would implode or something.
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Viewing 200 a second time as we speak, I think my favorite part is how the invisibility sequence is presented as a flashback to when O'Neill was still leading SG-1 but Carter, Daniel and Teal'c have made no effort in terms of costume, makeup or hairstyle to differentiate their look from the present-day.
The people who wished for a real "canon" episode, they're entitled to their opinion (hell, I was one), but anyone who took anything that comes after the shower scene seriously is making their own troubles.
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Those people (for the most part) are just fuckingbatshitcrazyidiots--yet somewhat entertaining in their fuckingbatshitcrazy way. Then again, you did give us but a small part of the insanity, and thus we're not tearing our hair out in fits going, "Why am I invovled in fandom when it contains such idiots?"
For the record, I thought "200" was a hoot and the special was fun too.
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to have so much stupid concentrated in one place like that has got to do something to alter the forces of the internets. It's like the vortex of idiots.
I only got a handful of entries through this collection before I had to quit for fear of hurting my computer by actually attempting to spork people through the screen.
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All I have to say is wow. You know, I don't ship S/J. In fact, I'm a noromo for the show and just ship various pairings for fun in the fandom. But I can't tell you how distressing I find this. There seems to be a clear inability to separate actor and actress from their characters, as well as this very singular vision of what the show should be.
I think the people that get hurt the most are those that don't quite fit into this vocal part of the fandom. So, all S/J shippers end up looking like crazed fanatics. Or all Daniel fans seem to look like crazed fanatics. Same goes for Sam fans, Jack fans, and various other pairings in the fandom.
It goes without saying that when criticism turns away from valid storyline and character critique to villifying the characters and especially the actors, that you've gone to far. And I see it in every corner of the fandom, no matter who you ship or which actor/character is your fave. *sigh*
I've been lucky to meet some lovelt S/J shippers on LJ and on my flist. Thanks for posting this. Many of us noromo folk know that many S/J shippers really want the best for your pairing and aren't nuts.
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