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Hrm.

I need to read a bunch of romance novels, then write a Sam and Jack fic in that style. Or just find a couple of scenes that fit... I can't decide which yet.

Actually, I just had a question.

What's the difference--in emotional fallout terms--between two people getting drunk and having sex, and two being infected with a virus and having sex (a la, Broca Divide)?

I was thinking about this, because Jaka thinks that Broca was the height of Romance, or something like that, and that Sam and Jack should have given in and had lots of sex right there, and it would have been the beginning of a long life together...

And it occured to me that a lot of first time fic ends up being the "Shep and Liz get drunk and sex" type.

Hrm.

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*has been guilty of that particular fic*

I think the difference is, alcohol is a lowering of inhibitions. Virus in Broca Divide was literally a regressive thing; while with alcohol you are still "you" only with less likelihood to think about things like social stigma and consequences, in BD I think it's more of an animalistic nature. Going with base instincts rather than just not being inhibited.

I think I'd disagree with Jaka.

And the idea of you writing a Sam/Jack romance novel terrifies me. OMFG.

Oh, dude, I have TOTally been guilty of it. I think I even have an unfinished Broca fic somewhere.

But, yes. For some reason, my brain wasn't parsing the difference, now it is. (and I like LR's "We are such fucking morons" line. ;)

HAH. I live to terrify people. ;)

Well, a really good obvious difference is that the virus is not your fault. So... the emotional fallout is difference because, while two characters on some level *chose* to drink as much as they did (probably knowing as they did so that it was possible that something could happen)... no one chose a mind-altering virus. Therefore, the emotional fallout might have more of a feeling of "omg, we have both been raped by the CIRCUMSTANCES" rather than "... we are such fucking morons."

AHA.

As noted above, my brain wasn't parsing the difference, and I was floundering.

Hrm...

Yay!

*has rare moment of feeling smart, and in a fandomy way, too! Wheee!*

*thinks such moments w/you aren't as rare as you think they are*

Oy, Jaka!

The primary difference between getting drunk and having sex and being infected with a virus and having sex? Well, let's see. Presumably the drinking was done intentionally and voluntarily, although the resulting drunkenness might have been unintentional. Being infected with a virus? Utterly unexpected and not intentional.

When you're drinking, you are aware at some point - though you might choose to ignore it later - that you are in some way impaired. You expect this, because it is a known consequence of drinking.

When you're infected with an alien virus that disrupts your DNA and causes you to act instinctively, you have no way of expecting what is going to happen. You are fundamentally incapable of appreciating that your judgment is impaired.

Huge, huge difference there.

*nods* Right. Brain is in better working order (I blame too much RPing).

Mostly in working order. ;)

what the hell is up with Jaka's assertion that the fact it's Jack ameliorates all emotional fallout anyway? I can't even tell you how much that pisses me off.

"Oh, you'd love it if your boss came into a top-secret military installation, picked you up in front of your colleagues (not to mention those of lesser rank), threw you over his shoulder, and carried you out to the parking lot. Without anyone questioning his actions or asking if you were all right or if you agreed with this behavior. Because Jack is so HOT."

Um, NO. In fact, I - and presumably Sam - would have him in the infirmary so quickly it'd make everyone's head spin. Behaving like a caveman is not, in fact, a turnon for anyone other than adolescent boys.

...actually, it was SAM that was affected first, and basically tried to do the caveman thing... *g*

And as it turns out, it wasn't Jaka who made the Cavemen are hot when they're Jack comment anyway.

But I was talking about an onlist comment about the plot of a story and not something in an ep.

Ah. Well, that's lists for you. *is part of reason why I stay the eff away from lists*

Actually, that's bad fic for you.

Seriously. "Captain Carter works too hard, so Colonel O'Neill forcibly removes her over his shoulder in front of the WHOLE BASE, and she just giggles" instead of handing him his balls on a platter.

*grumbles*

or puking on his ass, which is probably what I'd end up doing.

heheheh. Sigh.

Or, y'know, Jack's knees give out on him, and he drops them both to the floor and Janet mocks him soundly.

... I'd pay to see THAT ending.

Sam wouldn't know whether to be pissed or laugh.

Well, lists pretty much = bad fic, wank, and cetera to me. *g*

hah! There is some good fic that comes across....

*nods* And occasionally, thoughtful convo.

BUT there's waaaaaaaay too much b.s. to wade through, and I don't have time for that.

there is the occasional mockery, often by Lyssie, which makes it bearable.

As long as you're not drinking anything when you read those particular messages.

I want to cry. I've had a whole week of being strong and not letting Jaka get to me, and that's all fallen through.

Is there nothing we can do to shut him the hell up, or at least piss him off? (Beyond writing stories where S&J don't have babies, of course, I'm thinking of something a little more proactive)

*snuggles* :/

I honestly don't think there is. Sadly.

Oh, and as a warning, I'm about to post profoundly disturbing fic.

*bounces* Early morning reading material, yay! Unless it's baby-having fic (that would disturb me), in which case I might go kill myself.

No... I can't decide if it's worse than that or not.

*laughes and settles down to read*

You are an evil goddess, and you made me cry. That's so horrible, it's just... I have no words.

The most disturbing sentence(s) award goes to:
"The Iraqis taught me some very fun nerve techniques. All you have to do is stop making me angry."
Don't keep breaking them! Also, the thought of what would happen here if Jack got S pregnant terrifies me.

*is thoroughly depressed*

shit! omg! I forgot I was going to get her pregnant. DAMN.

*snugglecuddles*

Erm. While I was writing that, Ryuu and I were writing smutty/snarky/happy S/J? They were all fluffy, and Jack kept telling her she was hot. And she called him evil. And they had sex on his desk at home...

Oh hell. The pregnancy would have worked so beautifully, but that might have pushed people over the edge entirely. (Or you could repost and twist up twice as many people?)

*clings* They're not broken forever and ever?

No, I think I'm leaving it as is. *snuggles*

Well, that Sam and Jack probably are. But, er, generally, no, they're not.

OMG, just read the disturbing fic. Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure I liked it, but it definitely got my attention.

And yeah, the sentence about the Iraqi nerve techniques, that gave me a chill too.

Well, as I said in response to feedback, I'm not sure *I* like it. I mean, I like how it turned out, I like that it smashes the message home rather brutally.

But I don't actually think of them as Sam and Jack.

I think I'll rename them Perdita and Fred.

Okay. This may get me thwapped, but I'm starting to hope the insane people keep irritating you two. Because when they do, you both turn out this dark and honest fic that I really kind of *like*. Seriously... maybe there's an actual reason for Jaka (why do I always imagine Chaka?) to be on this list if it means we get real fic and not romanticized sugar.

bah. The difficulty is that they keep prodding me into becoming a Sam/Pete shipper, and hating Jack. And that's just not right, damnit.

Gah, that's not right at all. But they just want an idealized version of Jack the Hero. You tend to like him just the way he is. They are WRONG. You are RIGHT. Jack loves you more.

Yes, but the tears, the hyperventilating, the nosebleeds... (And yes, he has made me cry) Thank you though :)

But, did you see in his reply to my comment that he conceded that some women don't want children-I was shocked.

OTOH, yeah-he thinks it's romantic to be carried off caveman style by your boss.

*shakes head*

If someone went Caveman on me, I'd go medieval on their ass.

That whole disrespect thing? Yeah, I don't like that.

Yes! The disrespect! Exactly. Hrm.

Yes. Disrespect is evil.

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