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I am feeling combative. Deconstructing one of Telkena's happy fangirls. Without any nicety.
Clochard says:
I don't see the end of the story as a reward for the rape that happened. But more as Sam finding enough strength and love in her for Jack (and I totally think she is capable of such passios) to forgive him for he did in one single moment of pain and anger.
Let's ignore the misspelling, shall we? Yes.
Our commenter informs us that Sam finds strength in her love for Jack. Finds strength in her abuse, and forgives him.
For one single moment of pain and anger.
A single moment that stripped her of being human, that informed her that she was worthless, that left her brutalized.
Think about that. Rape is one of the first things used to dehumanize a person being tortured. Male or female, it wrecks havoc (shut up, I'm on a roll here), destroying some measure of control because the act is so intimate. People can live through pain, can live through having their skin slowly flayed, and grit their teeth. But take away all of their control, and they're left without hope.
Because you DO realize that he will NOT repeat that action.
Damn right, he won't. Because the Sam Carter I know will have ripped his dick and balls off. I don't know who this fucking pansy in the story was (wait. If I find and replace all instances of Sam with Telkena, it all makes perfect sense).
And don't start to lecture me about typical reactions of rapists. This is Jack and he did swear forever love to Sam. He said it, he will deliver.
Yes, because as we all know, if your rapist loves you, it's all OK. And by deliver, do you mean that he's going to rape her again and again, since her self-esteem won't let her leave this 'man who loves her enough to rape her'?
She did hurt him too.
Oh, for FUCK'S SAKE. Sam dating another man and almost marrying him is NOWHERE NEAR the level of Jack raping her! That's like saying, "Well, I accidentally threw a rock at this person, so if he kills me, it was MY fault and we're even."
I believe that with the love Sam and Jack have displayed for eachother in the 8 years of SG she could forgive him. Forget, never. But forgive, yes.
I'm sorry. Love? What love? Oh. Right. The love that led him to raping her.
This ending was no reward, to me. But a new start for the love they should have had from the start.
What love? All I see is an abused woman going back to the man who might one day kill her.
And that moved me deeply.
Please. Go for a walk in a bad section of town. The rapist who gets you will surely move you even more deeply.
Of course, that's cruel. So I suppose I should just hope you get mugged and fatally injured, thus never speaking for the female gender ever again. And, maybe, a little bit of the world will be a happier place.
It's so easy to get mad at someone and care about nothing else but feeding that anger, that even the smallest things can lead to horrific fights. i think you can all agree with me that there is NOT enough forgivness in the world, but only grudge and anger.
Stop that, you're making me sad. No, really. You're talking about something that doesn't exist in the world of Telkena.
I'm glad I saw some shine through here and inspire that no matter what, there will always be hope.
Like finding a stepping stone in the middle of a swamp of shit. *sniffles*
Happy ever after. I really don't think this needs a sequel, but I would like to see a S/J baby in one of your fics Telkena. What do you say? Baby O'Neill?
Please don't. Please don't ever. The child will probably grow up and be sexually abused by both parents as they try to work out their love for each other.
Clochard says:
I don't see the end of the story as a reward for the rape that happened. But more as Sam finding enough strength and love in her for Jack (and I totally think she is capable of such passios) to forgive him for he did in one single moment of pain and anger.
Let's ignore the misspelling, shall we? Yes.
Our commenter informs us that Sam finds strength in her love for Jack. Finds strength in her abuse, and forgives him.
For one single moment of pain and anger.
A single moment that stripped her of being human, that informed her that she was worthless, that left her brutalized.
Think about that. Rape is one of the first things used to dehumanize a person being tortured. Male or female, it wrecks havoc (shut up, I'm on a roll here), destroying some measure of control because the act is so intimate. People can live through pain, can live through having their skin slowly flayed, and grit their teeth. But take away all of their control, and they're left without hope.
Because you DO realize that he will NOT repeat that action.
Damn right, he won't. Because the Sam Carter I know will have ripped his dick and balls off. I don't know who this fucking pansy in the story was (wait. If I find and replace all instances of Sam with Telkena, it all makes perfect sense).
And don't start to lecture me about typical reactions of rapists. This is Jack and he did swear forever love to Sam. He said it, he will deliver.
Yes, because as we all know, if your rapist loves you, it's all OK. And by deliver, do you mean that he's going to rape her again and again, since her self-esteem won't let her leave this 'man who loves her enough to rape her'?
She did hurt him too.
Oh, for FUCK'S SAKE. Sam dating another man and almost marrying him is NOWHERE NEAR the level of Jack raping her! That's like saying, "Well, I accidentally threw a rock at this person, so if he kills me, it was MY fault and we're even."
I believe that with the love Sam and Jack have displayed for eachother in the 8 years of SG she could forgive him. Forget, never. But forgive, yes.
I'm sorry. Love? What love? Oh. Right. The love that led him to raping her.
This ending was no reward, to me. But a new start for the love they should have had from the start.
What love? All I see is an abused woman going back to the man who might one day kill her.
And that moved me deeply.
Please. Go for a walk in a bad section of town. The rapist who gets you will surely move you even more deeply.
Of course, that's cruel. So I suppose I should just hope you get mugged and fatally injured, thus never speaking for the female gender ever again. And, maybe, a little bit of the world will be a happier place.
It's so easy to get mad at someone and care about nothing else but feeding that anger, that even the smallest things can lead to horrific fights. i think you can all agree with me that there is NOT enough forgivness in the world, but only grudge and anger.
Stop that, you're making me sad. No, really. You're talking about something that doesn't exist in the world of Telkena.
I'm glad I saw some shine through here and inspire that no matter what, there will always be hope.
Like finding a stepping stone in the middle of a swamp of shit. *sniffles*
Happy ever after. I really don't think this needs a sequel, but I would like to see a S/J baby in one of your fics Telkena. What do you say? Baby O'Neill?
Please don't. Please don't ever. The child will probably grow up and be sexually abused by both parents as they try to work out their love for each other.
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Sam would definitely be all for retribution in this case.
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You know, that vomit did come from deep in my stomach, so, yeah, I could maybe say I was deeply moved.
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I see no way of ever justifying rape in anyway.
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*hugs lyssie*
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You have discovered the secret of making sense of badfic: replace all instances of the OOC female character with the author's name. Works like a charm.
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*smacks the little idiots repeatedly*