you wear guilt like shackles on your feet

[lyssie]

So, there was this Doctor Who/SG-1 crossover plotbunny offered on a list. And the stipulation was that it could "be slash or gen... whatever you want". Now, if I were handing out a plotbunny, my stipulation would have been "here. Make it anything you want." But, obviously, hetship isn't good enough for people. It must be slash or gen, or they just don't wanna hear about it.

This does, however, make me want to write a horribly hetshippy DW/SG-1 crossover.

Dr. Grace Holloway becomes the new specialist surgeon assigned to the SGC.... After all, she'd be perfect. She's already encountered the strange and paranormal.

(btw, there's a fairly decent one up on ff'net that's FourthDoc, and borrows Pyramids of Mars lexiconography...)

Comments

[alkam.livejournal.com]

"slash or gen"... what is "gen"?

[jacksrubberduck.livejournal.com]

what is "gen"?

Oh that really depends who you ask...

::growls at SG-1 fandom::

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Well, in most fandoms, it simply means, "story that doesn't focus on a romantic relationship between two/more people regardless of gender/sexual preference/whatever"

In SG-1, it means, "story that focuses on Jack, Daniel and Teal'c, and maybe mentions Sam a little, but there isn't ANY possibility of their being undertones of Jack or Sam being attracted to each other. And it has to have Daniel and Jack as Best Buddies and talking all of the time."

er... That may be stretching it.

[katcorvi.livejournal.com]

Twitchy, aren't we? *g*

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

A little. I keep encountering Sam bashers. It's discouraging.

[jacksrubberduck.livejournal.com]

::thwaps the Sam bashers and their incoherant rambling 'logic'::

[katcorvi.livejournal.com]

The whackjobs are everywhre. Wonder how they feel about OT3?

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

I will not conjecture, as I'm really not in the correct frame of mind for it, and will sound pathetic. Besides, I don't actually know.

[katcorvi.livejournal.com]

I'll conjecture! I'm guessing that they loudly wouldn't like it. So, I give you my other new OT3 icon, courtesy of rowand. Thhpt to them, and up with Sam and Jack OTP'ness and OT3'dom. All with Sam! Sam, Sam, Sam.

(Yes, I have had some really good wine tonight. '-)

[jacksrubberduck.livejournal.com]

Just wondering but those slasher weird in the head types that accuse people who only write het of being homophobic?
Can we use the same strange logic to accuse the people who only write slash of being heterophobic? ;)

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

*laughs* Probably. I think it's been done before...

[jacksrubberduck.livejournal.com]

Damn. ::sigh::

Back to the drawing board then... ;)

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Yup. Hrm. *considers* I feel like there should be a huge amount of Sam fic, and team fic that has Sam in it (and Teal'c! There should be more Teal'c!), or something. Just to piss people off.

[jacksrubberduck.livejournal.com]

Well I make a huge amount of Sam icons cos I adore her so.
It's just an added bonus that it annoys some people that I don't make more Daniel icons. ::smirk::

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

*nods* I feel... the sudden urge to make a ton more... hrm... Maybe a fic and icon challenge. Ficathon? Hrm.....

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

Kinda sounds to me like they're using "slash" and "gen" as opposites, actually. There are an awful lot of people who use "gen" when they mean "het," and don't seem to have any concept of non-pairing-centric fic at all...

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

*laughs* Probably. I'm just uber-sensitive, and tend to mock people for word usage at the drop of the hat. And, besides, the idea of Grace Holloway as the newest doctor attached the SGC had to be shared....

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

I'm just uber-sensitive, and tend to mock people for word usage at the drop of the hat.

Considering that I (as someone who writes ACTUAL gen) get cranky about the whole gen=het thing, I just wanted to make sure we were mocking this person for the right reason. ;->

the idea of Grace Holloway as the newest doctor attached the SGC had to be shared....

Well, duh. *eg*

[jacksrubberduck.livejournal.com]

Hmmm.

From what I've come across 'gen' seems to include slash ust but god forbid it have any suggestion of het ust.

I actually left a group that was supposedly strictly 'gen only' because whilst I was told to keep my ship out of it in the same breath the mod was talking about how cute a couple Jack and Daniel would make.

It was less a case of 'no ship' as '*which* ship'.

But that's just my own bad fandom experience.
Of which we all have at least a dozen I'm sure. :)

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

From what I've come across 'gen' seems to include slash ust but god forbid it have any suggestion of het ust.

Where as mostly I've run into the opposite. *shrug* It's damned annoying either way. Somewhere along the line, the environments in which I could mention working on fic and not have the first question be "What pairing?" got really, really scarce. :-/

[lavidaessueno.livejournal.com]

I agree with your general sentiment about people who want only slash or no ship.

Thing is, though, in some fandoms "gen" is used to mean "het." In the Xena fanfic world, for example, they use "alt" and "gen." I've only rarely seen "slash" or "het" used in Xena archives.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I'll concede that that does happen, occasionally... *g*

[thatpalebluedot.livejournal.com]

Speaking of plot-bunnies, I had the wierdest dream last night. Probably cause I stayed up till 3am reading SG1 & SGA fic. But. Anyway.

SGA goes through Stargate, explore a planet, maybe old friends of Teyla's, whatever. Once through, however, the inhabitants are unsurprised by SGA personnel and explain that they've had 'other' visitors from far away trying to trade there too. SGA meets visitors.

And then there was something about Munch and Mulder, and brief divergence into a Law and Order dream, with X-Files people in it. And a brief Picard appearance, because, you know--this is MY dream. ;)

Then back into wierd SGA dream. SGA is now on the world where the 'other visitors' are from, and it turns out that there's a colony on this world that's a combination of descendants of an Earth space shuttle and the previous inhabitants.

And more strangeness occurs, because this is a dream, but the part that was plot-bunnyish was that it is discovered that these 'other visitors' ARE from Earth, but from an alternate universe, where Things are Not Good, and they fled in their little space shuttle, and went through a wormhole that sent them to the Pegasus galaxy. And somehow then they ended up finding something that sent them to the Stargate universe, and now they're fighting the Wraith with the SGA crew. And it's all very odd, because they're from a NotGood alternate universe place, and social and moral conventions are quite different there.

Anyway, I completely illogically place all the blame for this on you, simply because I was surfing for SGA fic off of some of your links last night.

So there. Evil Lyssie, making me dream of strange bizzare SGA plot-bunnies that I'll never write because I don't even WRITE SG fic! :)

(goes back to rummaging for more SGA fic)

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

erm... Rosewildeirish always delivers good SGA. Were you looking for pairing-specific? Soused houses a lot of Weir/Sheppard fic, and there's quite a bit more elsewhere.

Erm. Liz, Qwirky, pellmelody are all good, and there's always John_Elizabeth, I suppose.

Not sure on the Teyla/Shep side.

As for your dream. HAH!

[cherryice.livejournal.com]

Is is possible that they used 'gen' to incorporate everything non-slash? Some people do.

I, on the other hand, have an issue with slash/het/gen labels, because in my mind, gen can include het or slash -- it depends on whether it's a story about a character that happens to include pairings, or a story about the characters through the pairings.

If that makes any sense.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Maybe. Hard to say. *points up* Someone else explains far better than me why SG-1 seems to call 'gen' 'sorta team, but without ANY possible het overtones, but there could be slash'....

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

It makes PERFECT sense. Which is why so few people seem to go by it. %-}

[livilla.livejournal.com]

Write it. You know you want to.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Oh no I don't. *shakes head and hides from the plot bunnies*

[livilla.livejournal.com]

Yes, you do. *poke*

Ok, I'll stop being evil now. Chocolate?