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hah.
So, for the fun of it, here's the mailing list wank I contributed to...
Actually, here's my response (I feel it's very dashing, personally).
--- In BG2003-Fanfiction@yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" wro
> You don't have to have your work archived here. You can ask for it
to be removed at any time and Crys will take if off.
Indeed. And having only joined this list *checks* four hours ago, may
I say that you're all a raving pack of loonies.
Please remove any fiction by either ALC Punk! or Ana Lyssie Cotton
from your archive.
Although it's a nice touch that you let people know I have 1 review.
GREAT copy/paste job there.
L, who kinda misses the old days, when archivists had manners.
And, here, http://redcap.spiralfirepress.com/random/BSG2003ficwank.txt
For the record, it side-scrolls. I just copy/pasted like our archivist, so I can't be responsible for the formatting/contents.
*innocent look*
Actually, here's my response (I feel it's very dashing, personally).
--- In BG2003-Fanfiction@yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne" wro
> You don't have to have your work archived here. You can ask for it
to be removed at any time and Crys will take if off.
Indeed. And having only joined this list *checks* four hours ago, may
I say that you're all a raving pack of loonies.
Please remove any fiction by either ALC Punk! or Ana Lyssie Cotton
from your archive.
Although it's a nice touch that you let people know I have 1 review.
GREAT copy/paste job there.
L, who kinda misses the old days, when archivists had manners.
And, here, http://redcap.spiralfirepress.com/random/BSG2003ficwank.txt
For the record, it side-scrolls. I just copy/pasted like our archivist, so I can't be responsible for the formatting/contents.
*innocent look*
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ah, thanks for that. I was curious about what was going on, but I didn't want to sign up to the mailing list.
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I can't decide whether to laugh or to throw things really, really hard at the majority of that list.
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Heh. Lyssie, loved what you wrote.
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Lyss? I hate to be the voice of reason? But you were out of line, given what I just read on http://redcap.spiralfirepress.com/random/BSG2003ficwank.txt
That list was about the same as OTL on a really good day when everyone was in a good mood. Maybe it's because I've stayed away from the mailing lists for the past few years, but that was so unbelievably polite I can't get over it. It actually looked like a list full of adults.
Devil's advocate here, but outside of asking for the fics to come down and a blunt but polite list of reasons why? There was no need to continue that conversation. The archivist isn't being wanky, most of the posters aren't being wanky . . . has wank gotten more tame since I last saw some?
Don't get me wrong, I don't understand why an archivist would risk running a site without significantly more stringent requirements, but it's their choice, and she wasn't holding your work hostage. And, as one poster said, it's just an archive.
- a very confused Mitai
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I didn't see: cussing, swearing, name-calling, lack of proper grammar (save one dude who didn't know what the shift key was for, and was a complete mo-mo) and what I did see were complete sentences and points made for both parties.
I'm serious. How is this wank? Maybe I don't understand the concept anymore? Very possible, I've had my head up my ass for a couple years now as far as fandoms go . . .
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Which you might argue this Crys did to a small extent, but it was small. No kicking off the list, no webpage devoted to how stupid/irritating the objectors were with their posts, no sob-drowned post about how she was doing this all out of the good of her heart but now it's been taken down and destroyed, all thanks to the complainers. Her mention of starting your own archive? Didn't guilt that she was taking her own down due to complaints.
I mean, yeah, she's kind of a dork, not knowing the tradition of archivists before her, but she's not a vindictive, small-minded, horrible little dork. She seems honestly just . . . unaware of the set of rules laid down by tradition before she came along, and she's not that concerned about conforming. She drifts towards wanking a bit, but so little it's really not worth calling wank.
::reads that over:: In fact, by my definition, Lyss is being wankier than the list. She posted here in her journal but didn't let the list know it was being discussed, and she gave up some of her own webspace for a page devoted to letting us all see what had been posted, with the purpose of mocking. Even if she hadn't added her own personal snark into the postings (and granted, it's ONE LINE) it would still be borderline.
::shakes her head:: No offense intended, if any was taken. I guess I'm just old-fashioned.
- Mitai, hobbling off with her little cane.
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She's not doing it out of meanness, she's doing it out of laziness and no concept of the greater archiving tradition. In that case, there's no reason for wank on either side. Writers who expect a certain standard simply shouldn't shop there, and while breezing by occasionally to make sure your stuff isn't there is annoying, most long-time authors have to google their stuff ANYWAY just to make sure it hasn't been ripped off somewhere.
I've had fic flat-out stolen by a Batverse writer, and it taught me that my writing made public on the web is fair game for either stupidity or outright vindictive harm. I'd rather use my energy on utterly annihilating those being knowingly evil, not being just plainly, knowingly but harmlessly stupid.
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But, to me, the reactions of everyone on the list of "Oh my god, how dare you attack this person!!!" when the first suggestions about spoilers and ratings came up were wanky.
I'm probably one of the few archivists who, when asked, will tell you that I'm lazy. I don't trot out real life (generally), and I don't pretend to be incredibly competent.
I also don't take people's stories without emailing them, or putting an R on the ones that deserve it (er, I don't think I do, anyway. 's been a while. I like the way Luba does it, really. She sticks R's on the sex/violence). OR warning for spoilers where it's appropriate (although I haven't really uploaded many that had the kind of spoilers that would ruin something).
What this means is that this archivist probably didn't read the whole stories, probably didn't even do more than a copy/paste job (evident in the one of mine I was able to see).
As for spoilers, comic fanfic always had less of a worry about that. I don't even think we ever bothered with spoilers for those.
(yes, I know this isn't entirely coherent)
I think the base of it all is that it flabbergasts me that an archivist would simply take stories without even emailing the authors to say "hey, I liked this, can I archive it here?" But, maybe she's just really really new to fanfiction.
*shrug*
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They were archiving people's work without asking permission first?
*sighs*
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A little late, but...
No wonder Meyer was getting all in a tiff about this a few days ago. Those people on the mailing list are insane, if not a bit deluded :P
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