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lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2005-03-04 03:37 am

Something that's been bothering me...

I finally realized what it is about all of the Sam gets captured on Earth and locked up by random attacker/stalker/whatever fic. Almost all of them have the moment where she knocks the person down and takes off... And then they recapture her.

Sam is a trained soldier. She's had eight years of experience fighting for her life. She isn't just going to knock them down and take off, especially if she has no idea where she is, or what the situation is.

Instead, she's going to knock them over, kick them a few times, tie them up, and take any and all available weapons and identification that she can.

AND THEN she's going to carefully secure the area, and take off.

If they have a gun? She will have it, and use it if need be.

What she will NOT do is panic, knock the person over, and run only to get recaptured two seconds later because the person is still conscious and free.

*seethes*

I go back to bed now.

[identity profile] nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
*loves on you*
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
*loves back*

*considers writing Jack gets stalked fic*

*but only after the Brig in charge of the SGC fic...sigh*

[identity profile] mitai.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Y'y-mean . . . she wouldn't?

::thinks selfishly about own fic for a second::

What if she has nothing to tie the bad guy up with, and has at least dealt him some damage, and has something more important to do, and carefully weighs doing him more damage against the time it would take away from something she deems more important? Is that okay, or too close to the original, offensive plot device?
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the main thing to ask is, "Is she running against a clock?"

and, "Is this person going to follow her and stick a needle in her ass?"

The biggest thing is did she kick the person in the head, and is he unconscious, I guess...

Er...

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I had this problem with a lot of Scully fics, yet there were too many times that this actually happened to Scully. She fights both the guy-possessed-with-Jodi-Foster and, my favorite, Donnie Pfaster (of "I'll run you a bath" fame) and is eventually knocked out. However, there is huge difference, I think, between an FBI agent and a USAF officer. Plus, watch Emmacipation and Desperate Measures if you want further evidence. <3333
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
The Scully thing is true. I was watching the second Donnie episode, and yelling at her to hit him hard, iirc, and knock him out instead of just trying to escape.

Which sucks, dude.

But she still rocks.

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I *HEART* the second Donnie episode especially for all the FANDOM WANK IT CAUSED which indicated to me how rather cold hearted I am. (The wank concerning the fact that she killed him point blank, no hesitation, basically in cold blood. So, Scully is BAD AND EVIL and why is Mulder with her, omg?!

...

liz: OMGWTF?!?!111!?!?eleventy?! I would have shot him immediately upon turning the corner, slow motion or not.


Although I LOVE the ethical issue of Mulder having to say on record that it was in self defense. And it *WAS*, yet it *wasn't*. CSI would have seen though it all and nailed her (...CSI cast nailing Scully is an odd image...which then reminds me that the cute black guy is the cute black guy in Alien Ressurrection which reminds me of Ripley/Call... oh, the six degrees of seperation to femslash!!!).


Anyway. I'm glad she killed him. Ethics be damned.

One of the issues of Scully vs. Donnie, however, is her emotions get in the way (GET THEM WOMEN OUT OF THE FRONT LINE, they let their emotions carry them away, omfg! DAMN VAGINAS!!!) which is totally respectable and in character and I'm fine with that. As long as, you know, she gets out of it in the end.

My favorite scene though, is when he's tying her hands together and she's just cratering into the reality of the situation and just bitterly jibes "I'm a federal agent. You do anything to me and they will not give you a break this time."

:spazzes:


Anyway. I'm still just in awe of the differences between Scully and Sam of late as my Scully-Infatuation is returning after a long spell of "omg, i hates them for what they did to themselves! meh!"

The number one difference that Scully is FAR MORE gorgeous but I can relate to Sam so much more and get in her head. Scully was so aloof and private and tight and then would lash out in funny-ness, whereas Sam can go from dead serious to snarky in a heartbeat. Plus, she deals with her issues better. Despite the fact that Sam really doesn't deal with issues *well* at all. AND Sam is not as dependent on Jack as Scully was on Mulder. Scully and Mulder couldn't live without each other. Sam could sadly live without Jack, Jack can't live without Sam. Difference.

:ponders and stops ranting:

<333
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*loves you* See, I've only seen the episode once. But I was totally with the Scully-love for most of it. And I love, love, LOVE that she killed him.

FUCK emotions. This guy should have been DEAD after the first time he appeared.

It's not everyone who overpowers her, kidnaps her, and almost kills her while leching all over her hair, y'know. There's special fucking circumstances.

Am so glad I was not in XF fandom. I would have bitchslapped people.

And, yeah. Sam could live without Jack. Now, anyway. Sixth season? No. omfg, she was so co-dependent. That's why they stopped having sex before Grace, and she convinced herself to move on...

er.

Ok, not the sex part.

BUT.

*hates on the writers for Grace, as always*

Erm. Anyway.

And Jack can live without Sam. He just doesn't want to.

Scully/Mulder, though, can definitely NOT live without each other. It's cute, yet silly....

*loves*

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I really really REALLY hate Grace, you know? Really. Which is why I have undying love for Threads as it's the base to Grace's acid. COMPLETELY cancels it out and then adds some glory to our cause (we won we won we won!)

2010 totally proves that she can grudgingly live without him and that Jack will be devestated and spiral into complete melancholic despair. Why don't the slashers view 2010 as proof against their cause as Daniel isn't healing Jack with sex?

Mulder& Scully are crazy co-dependent. Yes. V. cute if disturbing. :)
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I think my main problem with Grace is that it feels... like bad fanfiction. And I KNOW the writers were trying to 'tie up' issues and shit, but it just.. falls so DAMN FLAT.

(I need to sit down and make a list of shippy episode moments and compare writers and stuff, at some point, because Robert Cooper, he who created Pete, wrote Threads AND Chimera [which suffered from more than Pete]... and I want to prove that he's the most insidious shipper, man)

Oh. 2010. Yes. And how come Daniel and Janet sexed? The slashy shippers ignore that. (sad for them, I suppose)

Indeed. There was... gosh, I don't remember what, but one of the eps, I was staring at it going, "Gee, Mulder... Try living without your safety net."

hee. (WEWON)

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Perfect icon for this.

Yeah, a play by play writer-director analysis of the shippy episodes would be lovely. I was watching Death Knell with the Amanda Tapping and Peter DeLuise commentary and time and time again it's proven to me that Peter *obsesses* over AT and AT's kinda squicked by it, cuz sometimes he really really really crosses the line. But she's *obviously* a woman in a man's show and holds her own SO FREAKIN WELL (so much better than Miranda Otto, Liv Tyler and Cate Blanchett in their stories of the "we're in the boy scouts! woe is us and our vaginas!"). Still, it's freakish.

And Scully w/o Mulder in seasons 8&9 were just PAINFUL as she was written to be tearful and bitchy without him glued to her side. Gah.

(:triumpant:)
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Friends... going together... to a wedding... *has Full Circle flashback*

And the AT love makes sense, because they're all like, "And we can give Amanda anything to say, and she can say it." And she has been technobabbling for 8 years. And she also did not kill them for the Stupid Uber Feminism of the first three/four episodes, either.

But, yes. PdL is a little.. odd.

RCC is such a subtle shipper, at times, I think. *considers*

And Martin Wood is one, too. *loves him so*

Damien Kindler, surprisingly, seems to be kind of one, too.

And we won't get into CJ, because he totally is. YOU KNOW he told them for Changeling, "And you two are sleeping together."

...*giggles*

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-03-04 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
*wants to write f!verse, omg*
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[personal profile] havocthecat 2005-03-05 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Am so glad I was not in XF fandom. I would have bitchslapped people.

I don't know, I would have loved your sense of humor when I was in XF fandom. I ended up wanting to throw socks at the screen during 'shipper moments solely because of the fans, and yet I was (okay, still am) a Scully/Mulder 'shipper.

Yes, the thought of Scully/Skinner is amazingly hot too. But still.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
*laughs* Sadly, back then I was much more of a mouse/inclined to keep my snark to myself. Not to mention that by third season I'd gotten bored with the Conspiracy of Mulder's Sister and Aliens and, uh, stopped watching...

Scully/Skinner... o.O

[identity profile] livilla.livejournal.com 2005-03-05 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. This is true. And canon. You'd think people would notice.

Oh wait. They're smoking the special crack. Nevermind.