lyssie | I believe!

...but I beg to differ (http://www.sg1france.com/im/phsam.jpg). ;-)

There's a difference between a laughing line and a real dimple. Sam sometimes has a laughing line (Jack too btw) but I don't think it is a dimple.

So a dimple must be round? That's a pretty fine line, but by that definition, okay.

But my mom has always called 'em dimples, and I'll keep doing the same. :-)

Hmmmmm, most seem to be round yes but a dimple is more present than what Sam has. Someone in my class used to have dimples and it was a lot more frequent visible (not only when laughing) than what Sam has which only seems to be present when she's laughing in a certain way and not always.

And see, I just call that dimples that aren't as deep. I picked the picture I linked to precisely because it wasn't a particularly big smile or laugh bringing it out. They're less noticeable with different smiles, yes, but I always see them there.

So... by your defition, do I count (http://www.wiliqueen.com/miscfiles/KesVal040828_001.jpg)? Because I'd hate to think my mom has been lying to me all these years.... ;->

Hmm yeah, I think I'd call that dimples. You know, I'm just gonna shut up about it now cause I'm getting confused. *g*

But Sam and Jack do not have dimples. *scowls at writes who have flashing dimples everywhere*

I'm just gonna shut up about it now cause I'm getting confused.

Actually, you seem to have a pretty consistent idea. It's just that it is kind of a subjective term.

FWIW, I don't think Jack's laugh lines are dimples. And since I can't give as clear a reason why, you're probably doing better than I am. ;-) I've just always thought of Sam as having them, starting from the very first time she smiled. And never thought of RDA as having them, even when he was younger and his cheeks were fuller (i.e. MacGyver). Go figure.

*scowls at writes who have flashing dimples everywhere*

Well, now, see, there's your problem. It's not whether they exist, but whether they're being abused. *eg*

Yaaaaaay! I'm consistent! *preens*

See, I am more open to Sam having dimples than Jack but strangely enough it's the latter who gets assigned dimples a lot more. I don't know, it seems to be the latest fandom craze by bad!fic writers; give them dimples!

I don't know, it seems to be the latest fandom craze by bad!fic writers; give them dimples!

*chuckle* Bad!fic will always be with us, I fear. They could be doing much worse things.

Plus, great Dark and Stormy fodder...

A dimple has to be present when they're not smiling. It's a specific anatomical feature, where (I believe) the muscle actually attaches differently in that spot.

aha. Well, by that definition, Corin doesn't have them either... Hrm. ;)

Really? I suspect he would. They don't look as deep when you're not using the muscle...

I'll go for part of this -- that it's a muscle structure thing. But I don't agree that it has to be present, or at least not visible, when someone isn't smiling. I've known people with very definite, deep dimples that didn't show when they weren't smiling, but were obviously the result of how their muscles were working when they did.

AT's aren't as pronounced, but they still seem to work that way to my eye, as opposed to being just habitual folds in the skin.

Okay, now you people are making me obsessive. ;-)

No smile, definite dent: http://www.the-wall-between.de/samjack/sam/at.jpg

Here too: http://www.screencaptures.net/t/tapping15.jpg

And here: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/ATA/24227M.jpg

And here: http://www.poster.net/tapping-amanda/tapping-amanda-photo-amanda-tapping-6204453.jpg

Different smiles: http://www.geocities.com/stargate_untamed/priv12.jpg

http://stargate.webz.cz/img/amanda_tapping.jpg

http://www.lightspeedfineart.com/Photos/SG1/tapping2_sigA.jpg

I'm not crazy, darnit! Well, okay, I am. *g* But I haven't been imagining the dimples for eight years!

Those dents aren't dimples, they're normal musculature on women with low body-fat.

*blink*

Either you and I are not looking at the same dent, or there's simply no such thing as a dimple in that spot by your definition.

That indentation, which is oblong, follows the line of the anguli orus muscles. It's muscular definition. Any woman with a prominent facial structure (jaw and cheekbones, particularly) and low enough body-fat will have those. I have those when I at lower weights, and I don't have dimples.

By that definition, then, Lyssie is right: Corin's are the same not-actual-dimple thing. They're in the exact same spot, and are little oblongs that get deeper when he smiles, particularly at one spot.

They might not meet a textbook definition, but they still look like dimples to me, and I'll still call 'em as I see 'em for informal descriptive purposes. Sorry. *shrug*

Ah. And here I find someone has already expalnied this better than my below explanation. And... yeah. That's sort of what I was trying to get at, baring going "They're not dimples because my face does the same damned thing," anyway...

Whereas my definition includes what my mom has always described as my dimples, which I got from her. And which appear near the end of the muscle definition line, same as where I see AT's. *shrug*

And yours I wouldn't call dimples either.

The difference is that AT's follow along that muscle line evenly; his dimple beside it, if you look at that image. The dimple, which isn't very prominent, is the smaller indentation next to the muscle line - the "particularly at one spot" you mention. But yes, he has that muscular definition as well. A large number of actors will, given the industry's limited taste in facial structures and even more limited taste in bodyweights.

And, hey, you can call 'em whatever you want, it's nothing to do with me. :)

the "particularly at one spot" you mention.

But I see AT's do the exact same thing, just not as prominently. If I had Photoshop at work, I'd put an arrow on it. I'm not talking about the muscle definition line. What you're describing is exactly what I see.

And for the majority of the people with the larger muscle-definition thing (of whom, as you point out, we see a lot), I wouldn't describe them as having dimples either.

Out of curiosity, how would you describe the one higher up on her cheek in my icon?

The one high on the cheekbone, under the eye? I was looking at that one. I can't see a point of muscle connection, and that's a pretty common indentation, too. I don't have the anatomical reference in front of me, but I'd suspect that corresponds to underlying musculature as well.

He's pretty.

Yes, I should be doing my concept maps, why do you ask?

dude. You working tonight?

Because w get him on CSI: NY, apparently...

Nope. Not working. Watching CSI: NY. How 'bout you?

A 'dimple' is either the site of a muscle attachment or a fault occurring in the subcutaneous tissue or bone. That said, it's likely present at all times, though far more prominent when a person uses the muscle associated with it.

It's also, primarily, a very sharply defined indentation. So simply having a spot on ones face that dips inward does not count as having a dimple.

Sorry, gotta agree with Lyss on this one. I'm not seeing and dimples on AT. (Can't tell if Corrin has any either... at least, not from that top shot). On Amanda at least, what you're seeing is the way the muscles that move the upper lip (sparing you latin names, be glad...) lie in the plane of her face (they run from the lower edge of the orbit to the upper lip) and the way the skin on her face lays from her cheek-bones to her jaw. That does not a dimple make. Sorry, folks.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dimple

American Heritage:

1. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dimple

Stedman's Medical:

A small natural indentation in the chin, cheek, or sacral region, probably due to some developmental fault in the subcutaneous connective tissue or in underlying bone.

The medical one says "probably." The standard English doesn't specify at all. If I'm taking an anatomy test, I'll use your definition. If I'm writing fic, I'll write what I see. Send the lynch mob after me if you must. ;->

American Heritage:

1. A small natural indentation in the flesh on a part of the human body, especially in the cheek or on the chin.

Well, as far as fic goes, I really don't care what people choose to ascribe to characters (er, amusingly enough, I used to write fic for the movie Labyrinth, and it was common fandom practice to describe Jareth as having different colored eyes--even though that's not really what's going on with David Bowie's face... ;) )I just thought I'd try to give the more anatomical definition.

it was common fandom practice to describe Jareth as having different colored eyes--even though that's not really what's going on with David Bowie's face... ;)

*blink* It isn't? Dude. You're just out to shatter ALL my illusions. I'll never believe my own eyes again...

I just thought I'd try to give the more anatomical definition.

Fair enough. I just got knocked off-balance by being told something very endemic to my mental snapshot of someone for nigh on a decade was not, in fact, the case. And since it was brought up in the context of fic description, I dealt with it on those terms. No harm, no foul. *shrug*

It's not as if I'm not doomed to spend the rest of my life in this fandom reading about SG-1 eating in the "commissary," after all... ;->

Nope. He was in a fist-fight as a young man, and one pupil is permanently fixed and dilated. They're both blue, one just *looks* darker. :)

I'd noticed the pupil thing, but I would have sworn Jareth (tho not Bowie) had actual different colored irises. And I didn't know the reason for the pupil thing.

This is so why I love fandom. :-D

LABYRINTH FIC! I used to read that OBSESSIVELY. OH GOD! ;) Legend/Laby crossovers are TEH BEST!

I would just like to say that I LOVE this post&commenttrail. ::smooches::

*still disturbed by length*

I was just... tryin' to, um... distract my brain...

Oy, don't be. :) ~~Spammage~~ Discussion in one's comment section is always good, right?

::distracts lyssie's brain with a tease of p0rn::

Leia was sure that orgasming right as the Falcon went into lightspeed was the sexiest thing ever. Han was sure that making the princess scream right as the ship burst into lightspeed was the sexiest thing ever. Leia determined it must be the extra shockwave and Han determined that it was just a rather weird kink. Either way, no matter what was going on, dogfights, runing from rogue imperials or bounty hunters, if they were in the cockpit at the same time, punching the lightspeed button with Chewie snarling in delight that they had gotten away yet again - Leia couldn't stop the smile on her lips and Han felt an urgent need to look at that smile.

^_^

*is disturbed*

But you LIKED IT

Yes, I suppose I did.

*considers going to bed*

bed is for sissies

and jack and sam

They are in Jara's bed, actually. I hope they're entertaining her.

::so jealous::

*nods*

*attempts to write porn*

:looks over at replicarter who is snoozing on her bed and rolls eyes:

:looks for fifth:

yay lyssie porn.

I looked at the fic I wrote last night. it's salvageable. I'll prolly fix it this weekend..

YAY!!!

Dimples, smimples, Corin Nemec is HOT in that picture and I've never really thought so. Huh. Hello, paradigm shift.

*snickers* He IS a cutie, man...

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