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SFF: Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker (or whatever it's called. Is there a The in there?)
I always forget how to do these things (obv I should do them more)
Er, cuts, that is. (self, it is, in fact, the word 'cut'. duh)
SO.
Last we left my Star Wars brain, I'd watched, um, The Force Awakens. So, y'know, three years ago? Having just checked, 2016. Ok. Four, then. And I never talked about it. Oh well. In case anyone was wondering: I liked TFA, thought it echoed A New Hope pretty much, liked Rey a lot, thought the Finn plot was a bit predictable, didn't really see the point in Poe, found Kylo a dull whiny teenager... and was unsurprised at the resolution.
And then I didn't see Last Jedi or the rocks fall everyone dies Rogue One. Solo had negative infinity interest for me. (listen, Disney, you do a movie about Rey and all her girlfriends, or Padme, or Leia, I'll be there. But I have zero interest in dudes)
ANYWAY. coughs.
So I went to TFA with my father, at a theatre that apparently no longer exists (I suppose that makes sense, time marches on for all of us).
And I'd assumed I'd see TLJ with said parent (as he likes SW). But no. And then I heard enough about it to just... assume I wouldn't enjoy it, so I haven't actually seen it.
This year, dad proposed the idea of Star Wars to mom, I, and my uncle. Said uncle ran for the hills.
My father liked it. My mother thought it was too violent (which possibly means she didn't like it, but didn't wish to say so). Dad went on and on about the wonderful Christian messages about hope, faith, etc.
Having missed the middle movie, I... didn't actually feel that I missed much. Which probably makes me the target audience. I picked up most of the plot threads without really needing any middle movie (though I will probably go back and watch now, out of curiosity).
And surprisingly, I thought it was all right.
Things I really could have done without:
- Kylo Ren. Still continued to be dull. Like. I know, I know, emo goth boys are great... I guess... but he is just meh for me. MEH.
- Palpatine. Gross, man. I don't want to think about him procreating. Tho', I mostly assumed there was a lot of cloning involved.
- The lack of women with more plot-relevance than background go-fers. YES, there were a decent number of women in the backgrounds in a lot of scenes, and some of the rebel women even had lines. But it was still mostly dudes saying shit. And the Quest team was literally one chick and four dudes and some droids. Ugh. Pryde could easily have been a woman, Poe could have seconded someone else (Rose Tico?) as the leader of the Quest. Etc.
- WTF is this The Force made them better people bullshit? One of the things I liked about the idea of Finn was that it would start this weird, grass-roots rebellion thing in the Empire. Er, first order. Whatever. Instead, the Force Made Them Be Good People. Ugh.
- Does NO ONE on team Falcon have any common sense? They kept doing stupid things like stand around in plain sight, or letting people just wander off into the desert without anyone being lookout. SERIOUSLY, I spent that whole desert-planet section wondering if they all slipped and fell in the shower.
- That Force bond. WTAF was that pointlessness. It just was basically an excuse for Kylo to slow the plot down and bore me.
Things that were... ok:
- Rey's parents are dead. Not sure if I cared about them, though Rey did. But they sold her to some dude, which I'm not so thrilled by. Also assuming daddy was a Force-grown clone.
- Bickering. So much bickering. FFS, you people do not have the time for this petty bullshit. There is a FUCKING WAR ON, WOMAN THE FUCK UP.
- Palpatine stealing their life-force. Pretty sure this was the plot in Zahn's first trilogy--though it's Luke and Mara the crazy evil-guy sucks the life from.
- Zorii. I really was annoyed that they made her armor so form-fitting. I liked the idea that she was part of Poe's past, even if Poe kinda bores me. But I really thought they could have done more with her (I expect it was a full Tardis issue: too many people to juggle). I wanted more of her, though?
- Same with Rose Tico, and some of the other women who showed up on the Rebel base. They were all tertiary, and I thought there should have been a better balance.
Things I enjoyed:
- The friendships! As much as I disliked the bickering, it also sort of falls in here, too. I enjoyed that they're all friends and screw with each other and stuff. Even if I spent most of it going "shut up, get the plot going."
- REY IS THE HERO OF THE MOVIE AND SAVES US ALL. <3
- I am suuuuuch a sucker for a cavalry charge on a space-ship that I'm forgiving its impossibility without an atmosphere. (omg, I might have squeed when that happened, excellent plans there, Finn).
- Leia and Rey, and their obvious connection with mentoring and training, and awwwww. Also, LEIA AS A JEDI IN TRAINING. Even if apparently she then did nothing with it because ~Force ~delusion, sorry, premonition. It makes me sad that we didn't get more, though I completely understand why.
- I know this is confusing, but the pay-off of the stupid Force Bond was entertaining. And led into an excellent double-battle thing which I enjoyed (what, I like flashy sword things, ok).
- Rey not giving into her anger or hatred (I mean, it sort of helps that she is so very stoic, I am not sure she was feeling either).
- Speaking of which! Rey healing the sand worm! <3 <3 <3 <3
- Rey, Finn, & Poe dropping everything to rescue Chewie. I mean, it was obvious he wasn't dead (too early in the movie). As a secondary objective, retrieving their ship was probably also on the list.
- Vinette Robinson! For her ten seconds of screen-time.
- Lando and his saving the day cavalry. Excuse me, I have something in my eye. Also, just that he survived was awesome.
- Rey Skywalker! Because Leia and Luke pretty much adopted her, and she doesn't need to continue the Palpatine legacy (better she bury it forever and scrub it from history). And she finally has a place and people to call her own. I liked that whole end scene, tbh. Whether she decides to be Kenobi and hermit, or just stay there a bit and then lark off to continue putting the galaxy to rights, it's all good.
- The destroyed Death Star! I loved that set so much and wished there had been more. Similarly, I wish there'd been more Rey vs Rey fight. I feel like Luke had a much longer fight with himself on Dagobah.
- Rey vs. Palpatine with crossed lightsabers. /swoon. And like all of the Jedi (but whatever)
- ALL THE HUGGING AND CRYING at the end. YAY! They did it, go them, etc. TIME TO PARTY.
- I cannot believe I forgot this until now: HUX THE PETTY SPY BECAUSE HE HATES KYLO. omg, Hux. We are on the same wave-length here. I mean, I was uninterested in him before now, so this just made me giggle a lot.
Things I enjoyed that I'm terribly embarrassed by:
- Rey vs. Kylo on the Death Star. Like, I wanted him to shut up, but I enjoyed the fight.
- And then she stabbed him.
- And then she healed him, but he came back not!Emo, and slightly more bearable.
- I feel at this juncture that it is incumbent upon me to remind everyone that one of my favorite regencies starts with the heroine shooting the hero.
- And then she steals his ship. Um. Hot.
- I did not hate Ben's conversation with Dear Old Dad.
- I also might have enjoyed him chasing after Rey to help her.
- Look. He didn't even manage to save her until she'd saved him and stuff, so it worked for me. Also. That lightsaber bit was just unf.
- I actually found Ben Solo's three minutes of screen-time with Rey somewhat compelling. In a "man, I can't stand Kylo, and I bet Ben will be annoying in two minutes, but for this three seconds, she should get to make out with someone" way.
- Which is not to say I have any interest in the fic. Just a gander at the fandom/conversation around Reylo since it began is everything I Do Not Want EVER. They will be the OTP I will write reams of fic in my head about for my entertainment when I'm bored. They can have adventures with Marya DeZorga.
So, in conclusion: I mostly enjoyed this. I will never be able to find fic that scratches any itch. I have no intention of writing it myself, either.
I might try my hand at a little femslash, at some point, though.
Er, cuts, that is. (self, it is, in fact, the word 'cut'. duh)
SO.
Last we left my Star Wars brain, I'd watched, um, The Force Awakens. So, y'know, three years ago? Having just checked, 2016. Ok. Four, then. And I never talked about it. Oh well. In case anyone was wondering: I liked TFA, thought it echoed A New Hope pretty much, liked Rey a lot, thought the Finn plot was a bit predictable, didn't really see the point in Poe, found Kylo a dull whiny teenager... and was unsurprised at the resolution.
And then I didn't see Last Jedi or the rocks fall everyone dies Rogue One. Solo had negative infinity interest for me. (listen, Disney, you do a movie about Rey and all her girlfriends, or Padme, or Leia, I'll be there. But I have zero interest in dudes)
ANYWAY. coughs.
So I went to TFA with my father, at a theatre that apparently no longer exists (I suppose that makes sense, time marches on for all of us).
And I'd assumed I'd see TLJ with said parent (as he likes SW). But no. And then I heard enough about it to just... assume I wouldn't enjoy it, so I haven't actually seen it.
This year, dad proposed the idea of Star Wars to mom, I, and my uncle. Said uncle ran for the hills.
My father liked it. My mother thought it was too violent (which possibly means she didn't like it, but didn't wish to say so). Dad went on and on about the wonderful Christian messages about hope, faith, etc.
Having missed the middle movie, I... didn't actually feel that I missed much. Which probably makes me the target audience. I picked up most of the plot threads without really needing any middle movie (though I will probably go back and watch now, out of curiosity).
And surprisingly, I thought it was all right.
Things I really could have done without:
- Kylo Ren. Still continued to be dull. Like. I know, I know, emo goth boys are great... I guess... but he is just meh for me. MEH.
- Palpatine. Gross, man. I don't want to think about him procreating. Tho', I mostly assumed there was a lot of cloning involved.
- The lack of women with more plot-relevance than background go-fers. YES, there were a decent number of women in the backgrounds in a lot of scenes, and some of the rebel women even had lines. But it was still mostly dudes saying shit. And the Quest team was literally one chick and four dudes and some droids. Ugh. Pryde could easily have been a woman, Poe could have seconded someone else (Rose Tico?) as the leader of the Quest. Etc.
- WTF is this The Force made them better people bullshit? One of the things I liked about the idea of Finn was that it would start this weird, grass-roots rebellion thing in the Empire. Er, first order. Whatever. Instead, the Force Made Them Be Good People. Ugh.
- Does NO ONE on team Falcon have any common sense? They kept doing stupid things like stand around in plain sight, or letting people just wander off into the desert without anyone being lookout. SERIOUSLY, I spent that whole desert-planet section wondering if they all slipped and fell in the shower.
- That Force bond. WTAF was that pointlessness. It just was basically an excuse for Kylo to slow the plot down and bore me.
Things that were... ok:
- Rey's parents are dead. Not sure if I cared about them, though Rey did. But they sold her to some dude, which I'm not so thrilled by. Also assuming daddy was a Force-grown clone.
- Bickering. So much bickering. FFS, you people do not have the time for this petty bullshit. There is a FUCKING WAR ON, WOMAN THE FUCK UP.
- Palpatine stealing their life-force. Pretty sure this was the plot in Zahn's first trilogy--though it's Luke and Mara the crazy evil-guy sucks the life from.
- Zorii. I really was annoyed that they made her armor so form-fitting. I liked the idea that she was part of Poe's past, even if Poe kinda bores me. But I really thought they could have done more with her (I expect it was a full Tardis issue: too many people to juggle). I wanted more of her, though?
- Same with Rose Tico, and some of the other women who showed up on the Rebel base. They were all tertiary, and I thought there should have been a better balance.
Things I enjoyed:
- The friendships! As much as I disliked the bickering, it also sort of falls in here, too. I enjoyed that they're all friends and screw with each other and stuff. Even if I spent most of it going "shut up, get the plot going."
- REY IS THE HERO OF THE MOVIE AND SAVES US ALL. <3
- I am suuuuuch a sucker for a cavalry charge on a space-ship that I'm forgiving its impossibility without an atmosphere. (omg, I might have squeed when that happened, excellent plans there, Finn).
- Leia and Rey, and their obvious connection with mentoring and training, and awwwww. Also, LEIA AS A JEDI IN TRAINING. Even if apparently she then did nothing with it because ~Force ~delusion, sorry, premonition. It makes me sad that we didn't get more, though I completely understand why.
- I know this is confusing, but the pay-off of the stupid Force Bond was entertaining. And led into an excellent double-battle thing which I enjoyed (what, I like flashy sword things, ok).
- Rey not giving into her anger or hatred (I mean, it sort of helps that she is so very stoic, I am not sure she was feeling either).
- Speaking of which! Rey healing the sand worm! <3 <3 <3 <3
- Rey, Finn, & Poe dropping everything to rescue Chewie. I mean, it was obvious he wasn't dead (too early in the movie). As a secondary objective, retrieving their ship was probably also on the list.
- Vinette Robinson! For her ten seconds of screen-time.
- Lando and his saving the day cavalry. Excuse me, I have something in my eye. Also, just that he survived was awesome.
- Rey Skywalker! Because Leia and Luke pretty much adopted her, and she doesn't need to continue the Palpatine legacy (better she bury it forever and scrub it from history). And she finally has a place and people to call her own. I liked that whole end scene, tbh. Whether she decides to be Kenobi and hermit, or just stay there a bit and then lark off to continue putting the galaxy to rights, it's all good.
- The destroyed Death Star! I loved that set so much and wished there had been more. Similarly, I wish there'd been more Rey vs Rey fight. I feel like Luke had a much longer fight with himself on Dagobah.
- Rey vs. Palpatine with crossed lightsabers. /swoon. And like all of the Jedi (but whatever)
- ALL THE HUGGING AND CRYING at the end. YAY! They did it, go them, etc. TIME TO PARTY.
- I cannot believe I forgot this until now: HUX THE PETTY SPY BECAUSE HE HATES KYLO. omg, Hux. We are on the same wave-length here. I mean, I was uninterested in him before now, so this just made me giggle a lot.
Things I enjoyed that I'm terribly embarrassed by:
- Rey vs. Kylo on the Death Star. Like, I wanted him to shut up, but I enjoyed the fight.
- And then she stabbed him.
- And then she healed him, but he came back not!Emo, and slightly more bearable.
- I feel at this juncture that it is incumbent upon me to remind everyone that one of my favorite regencies starts with the heroine shooting the hero.
- And then she steals his ship. Um. Hot.
- I did not hate Ben's conversation with Dear Old Dad.
- I also might have enjoyed him chasing after Rey to help her.
- Look. He didn't even manage to save her until she'd saved him and stuff, so it worked for me. Also. That lightsaber bit was just unf.
- I actually found Ben Solo's three minutes of screen-time with Rey somewhat compelling. In a "man, I can't stand Kylo, and I bet Ben will be annoying in two minutes, but for this three seconds, she should get to make out with someone" way.
- Which is not to say I have any interest in the fic. Just a gander at the fandom/conversation around Reylo since it began is everything I Do Not Want EVER. They will be the OTP I will write reams of fic in my head about for my entertainment when I'm bored. They can have adventures with Marya DeZorga.
So, in conclusion: I mostly enjoyed this. I will never be able to find fic that scratches any itch. I have no intention of writing it myself, either.
I might try my hand at a little femslash, at some point, though.
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But Rey is awesome.
If you ever see the second movie it has a lot of Leia and the female general, her friend, being awesome.
But by this point I have stopped expecting any plot that makes sense and I just kind of go with it. If it feels like Star Wars or looks like Star Wars I am happy.
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Yeah, I was going to mention this as well. For me the problem with 8 is that it was the film that solidified two ideas: a) no one has no idea what they're doing with this trilogy, and b) no one has any plan to do anything about Finn's character potential. So I still resent it. I might find 8 more enjoyable now that the trilogy is done.
But yes, 8 has more women with screentime and plot relevance than 9.
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So. What you're saying is, this is the BSG of the trilogies? ;D
I'm used to that.
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But yeah, I don't get why so many people latched onto him, when Rey is RIGHT THERE.
That is good to know about the second movie, it doesn't make me happy with the choices, but I'm also aware that this is hollywood and they're never going to listen to me. At least not while people continue to not go to female-heavy movies.
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I will never be able to find fic that scratches any itch.
Yeah. I went looking once after 8: I wanted non-romantic "unwanted force bond leads to stealing powers
and possibly sucking away life force, because apparently I'm prophetic", and I never found it. I also found that reylo fanfic as a whole was very much in the category of DNW.I am SO HAPPY that Finn is confirmed as force-sensitive. Like you, I am less thrilled about the Force being the credited reason for a crisis of conscience. *sigh* Let's just go with "That's not how the Force works, but Finn doesn't know it yet."
And she finally has a place and people to call her own. I liked that whole end scene, tbh. Whether she decides to be Kenobi and hermit, or just stay there a bit and then lark off to continue putting the galaxy to rights, it's all good.
Co-writer Chris Terrio now says it wasn't their intention to imply that Rey stays forever on Tatooine. Given that the film just ends, I figure we can all do whatever we want with it. *shrug*
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Oh, man, I finally got to the point where I was sort of craving fic (as you do), and it is like, ALL AU, ALL THE TIME. Now. Mind, I don't hate coffeeshop AUs. But. But. I am NOT HERE FOR THOSE. sigh.
It did however solidify my never looking at fic. I have a couple other fandoms I'm like that about (Leverage, Farscape, Midsomer Murders--probably because it's all slash, and no one writes good casefic....)
I didn't truly think they were going to have her stay on Tatooine, but I did sort of like the idea of it (I'm also one of those people who thinks the end of Pirates of the Carribbean: At Worlds' End is romantic and good, though--and also that women need space and men can just swing by at their convenience. I think I did that with a Nyssa/Olvir fic once)
er, that got off-topic. ANYWAY. Finn being Force-sensitive was nice, and ratcheted the tension up during the final battle (which I assume is why they did it).