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lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2012-12-10 11:01 pm
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Haven season 3, catching up

When I last posted about Haven, I was angry and unimpressed with 3x1. Because I was. Since then, I have made my way up through 3x11. Spoilers, obviously.

I want to be all "it's amazing!" and "I love it!" but I can't. Instead, it's reminding me that it's just another show that's mostly about white dudes, with their one Special Chick. The one that gets into the clubhouse, 'cause she's not like those other bitches.

Yes, I shouldn't have given them any sort of trust after the way they murdered Evi so stupidly, and just to give Duke cheap angst.

I don't have a lot of coherent thoughts about the season as a whole, though I do think it's better written than last? And I was impressed that two actual female secondary characters managed to survive. Like, two episodes. Or was it three? Oh, and someone black managed not to be evil for a whole, like, half an episode!

Quite a record for the writers.

It must be really hard for them to not write about white dudes and their angst. At least, that's how it feels, every time they kill off/destroy the character of and/or turn evil all the women and people of color.

This show has always suffered from One Girl in All The World syndrome, and I was really hoping this season that it would finally reach above itself and stop being so shitty about it. But, no. No, instead it's going to do just what every other fucking show does, and pretend that women live in vaccums surrounded by dudes as the most important people in their lives.

I mean, ffs, in the same episode we get jokes about Claire and Audrey sharing a bra (which, really? Are they even the same cup-size?), they kill Claire off.

And Jordan. Jordan, I've been worried about them turning evil from the beginning. Because that's the way these writers roll, when it comes to women who are in the grey areas. Also, she seems to have a very black and white view of the world? idk.

If we look at the other two 'shades of grey' characters, Vince and Dave? We're very obviously supposed to be sympathetic towards them and think they're lovable, wondrous sorts who are merely withholding evidence for Audrey's own good. Not, y'know, in some plot to screw her over.

I find it so frustrating, because the emotional beats of 3x11 were very nicely done, and I did like the episode. And then it ended like that, and I'm just. I'm so angry, and annoyed for letting myself believe these writers wouldn't fuck over every female character involved. It would have been a billion times more dramatic for the skinwalker to be Nathan, you know.

But, no,must protect the implied pairing/true love forever plot at all costs.

Then again, the whole skinwalker/bolt killer subplot has been pretty fucking stupid from the beginning and rarely makes sense (I mean, logistically, there are times when Tommy couldn't have been the bolt killer, but, y'know, I guess we're handwaving. Also, Claire must be a different person to the one bk stole from the factory there, so.... there's another skin hanging around in a tub, waiting to be used again)

Basically, all of this ruins the happy amusement I've been having with the show since I started watching again, and I'm angry and tired of this shit enough to just give up on bothering with more.

Hey, Haven producers/writers? I was actually going to buy seasons two and three. Now you'd have to fucking pay me to do it. I know my few bucks aren't much of a loss to you, but whatever. At least I can buy something that doesn't demonize women and black people. Elementary or Person of Interest, maybe.

[identity profile] tafkarfanfic.livejournal.com 2012-12-11 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
Vince and Dave? We're very obviously supposed to be sympathetic towards them and think they're lovable, wondrous sorts

You think? I think we're supposed to think of them as creepy and possibly evil. That's sure how I see them.

[identity profile] tafkarfanfic.livejournal.com 2012-12-11 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, which is not meant to say that I don't empathize with all your other criticisms. I am very upset about the Claire thing and really tired of them killing off PoCs. I am actually hoping they pull off the fact that Jordan is in opposition to the other characters without making her evil.
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[personal profile] havocthecat 2012-12-11 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we're supposed to see that they ~care~ about Audrey and they only want to ~help~ her, or that's the take on it I've been getting. I think we're supposed to see Dave in the Duke role for the Lucy Ripley incarnation (along with Garland in the Nate role, minus the romance), and what happens 30 years on.

Basically, I think they're being set up to redeem themselves by eventually coming clean. They're two white dudes on the show, both Audrey's allies of a sort, and that's a position that has traditionally been more protected than not.

Damn, do I wish the skinwalker had been Vince or Dave. Watching him get found out and then watching the other one cope without his brother would have been fascinating secondary character drama. BUT NO. We had to kill off Claire, since she's the one with the most knowledge of the psyches of the characters, and she'd have an easier time telling if one of the other characters weren't themselves. Also, because she's a girl and she's not special like Audrey is.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-12-12 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
I sort of feel we're supposed to sympathize with them--especially after they got tortured by the bgk.

There's always been a sort of strong "men dictate Audrey's life, but it's totally for her own good!" thread in the series, and I feel Vince and Dave typify it a large extent now that Howard and Garland aren't around.

[identity profile] ladyniko.livejournal.com 2012-12-12 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
I was pissed about that because seriously? Are they going to kill off every freaking female character that is of interest on this show EXCEPT for Audrey?

Grrrr! Yeah, I haven't bought S1 or S2 on DVD and now, probably won't even get S3. I haven't watched the Beauty & the Beast remake yet. I should get caught up on that. I like watching the ridiculousness and the snark that is Hawaii Five-O.

If you need Covert Affairs, I have all of that and can send you a USB drive of the eps. (I have a friend aka "adopted kid sister" that is currently living in Cuba and bemoaning the lack of bandwidth and ridiculously low data cap that is causing her to miss most of American TV. All she wants for Christmas is a bunch of TV shows on a USB stick. :-p)


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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-12-12 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
My disappointed, cranky rage, let me show it to you. =D

Nah, I'm good. I'll either buy the dvds or catch it on the website. Or other nefarious means.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2012-12-12 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the offer, though. =D