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DW 6x...8? I don't have any idea what the episode number was. But. LET'S KILL HITLER. y'know.
My show is back, hurrah.
First, though, the bad bit that I was like "wtf, I hate you, stupid man" about. And that would not be River Song/Mels and her obsession with weight and wardrobe. No, it would be the throw-away line from Captain Stupid to Harriet when she wanted to eyeball things. What was the point of "get your fat ass up there" ffs.
Everyone else appears to be up in arms over the River/Mels weight and wardrobe stuff, but they don't bother me.
"I'm concentrating on a dress size!" - Yes. Probably smart, as regenerating too large or too small would look odd in what she's wearing.
"Going shopping" - while I think her choices were horrible (seriously, that jacket with that camisole? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING, WOMAN?), we already know River Song is a bloody clothes horse. I think Mels was, too.
"I need to go weigh myself." And put on poison lip-gloss as well as eavesdrop. She knows from their reactions something is up, and while she's not really focused on that, it's Melody Pond/River Song, and she's always had a thing for squirreling information away.
OK. ON TO MORE THOUGHTS.
I am trying to be organized about this, and utterly failing.
When the red car swung into the TARDIS, I said, "Hallo, River." But it wasn't River. But it was. Holy fuck. I love Mels, I love that Melody Pond TROLLED HER PARENTS while they were growing up (seriously, listen to all that dialog, knowing Mels is their child. THEY ARE TOTALLY RAISING HER). I love that we got to see more of their childhoods (Aw, Rory, always the Boy, which made you be less cool than Mels).
I love that Hitler was a random side-note that didn't have anything to do with the main plot. I love that, to be honest. Nazis are fucking over-used, and it was nice to have them be unimportant.
That said, "I really do mean, it was just an accident." Oh, Eleven. How he must hate himself just a little, for saving Hitler's life.
The Justice machine full of little people was hilarious and wonderfully SF. A lot of reactions I've seen have called it very Star Trek. I actually found it more Red Dwarf-like, the sets were colored more towards that end of the spectrum. I liked the one little Comms officer (or whatever he was), who was so totally helpful for the Ponds.
AND SPACE SQUIDS. LOL. <3
CAN I TALK ABOUT HOW RIDICULOUSLY WONDERFUL AMY POND IS? Because she is. She is holding it the fuck together under hideously stressful circumstances. I mean, ffs, HER BABY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPPED AND SHE MAY NEVER EVER GET TO RAISE HER--and, yes, her daughter grows into River fucking Song, BUT THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE INITIAL FACT.
Given Amy's already tenuous hold upon allowing other people close, that is one fucking huge slap in the face. Even though it's not River's fault, it's still not something easy to rationalize.
And then Amy finds out that the daughter she lost grew up with her pretending to be someone else entirely. I'm honestly impressed that Amy hasn't literally cracked and had a screaming match with someone over this.
I'm entirely unsurprised that her whole focus was on Rory and the Doctor, and not!River-Melody was a secondary thought. (if I'd just found out my daughter lied to me like that? yeah, I don't think I'd be too upset at someone torturing her--I'd feel guilt later, but all that anger and rage and anguish would have to do something)
Also, Amy with a Sonic = Awesome. I'm pleased she used her brains. (and have horrible ideas for porn now, whoops. Eleven doesn't want to know)
Which is to say, while the preceding paragraphs are true, it's also true that Amy woke up and basically said "My daughter or you die" and I love that so hard, too. OH AMY. <3
How hard would it be to relate to the daughter that you lost, who grew up with you, who lied to you, who killed your best friend, who lied some more--but all of that with the fact that you've met her long before you knew Who She Was, and you respected and trusted her?
Not even Cable trolled his parents this badly for the lullz.
Then again, until that moment in the flashback, I don't know that Mels was certain whom her father was. (I don't think she thought it was Eleven. I mean that she wasn't entirely certain--she only ever had a picture of Amy, after all)
Rory seems like one of those sort of adorable, but annoying, small boys who latch onto someone like a limpet and never release them. This is not really an insult, more an observation.
And he has changed from that. With Amy's love, and the Doctor's help, he's gained confidence in himself. Even if he is still surprised when he does things like PUNCH HITLER IN THE FACE and then lock him in a cupboard. <3
Then he rode a motorcycle (of course you know how, Rory, you used to do it when you were plastic, remember?), punched a Nazi, and helped his wife save their daughter by doing a lot of running.
AND THEN THERE WAS ADORABLENESS AND I LOVE YOUS.
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Then there was Melody, freaked out and terrified and awed all at once that she could fly a TARDIS. She once mocked the Doctor by saying she'd been taught by the best, and of course she was. Then again, he wasn't busy that day, he was dying. Or pretending to die.
Or something like that.
I have so many thoughts about Melody Pond and River Song, and I don't know that I'm coherent.
You remember during Flesh and Stone/Time of the Angels when River told the Doctor to let her get tossed into the crack, as she was a space-time event thingie? And the Doctor was like "no, you're human, nothing helpful"?
River could have told him he was wrong. I mean, ffs, human or not now, she was once a Time Lord and once spent a decade trolling her parents and growing up with them. AND OH GOD THE PARADOXES.
It's like that time Tigh beat Chief up for being a Cylon, and how they both thought they were human. Only more lullzy and less with the fridged women.
There are still things we don't know, things I'm not sure we'll know--but!
But, I do rather love this little backstory for River and Melody. I feel like this gives her the edge back on the Doctor, in a way.
I've always been a bit worried that we'd reach a point where River knew nothing, and he knew everything, but we haven't. Instead, they both know a lot of things about each other. Just not quite in the right order.
I wonder if Kovarian conditioned her to love him and hate him at once?
Mels giving those answers in school, there's a sense that while she thinks the Doctor's a bit superior, she also dislikes him for NOT saving people/stopping things. I wonder if that's part of her conditioning and training, or if it's her own ideas.
I love that Melody Pond grew up with her parents. Even though I hate it,for their sakes. I love that she SOUGHT THEM OUT. Did she always wonder about them, and that's why? Or did she simply believe it was the easiest way to catch the Doctor?
I like to think she sought them out, not that she was conditioned to.
Amy and Rory did change her, I think. You can't be around them and not become someone different--especially as their daughter. They shaped her as much as Kovarian and her ilk did.
The Doctor helped a little, but under the Psychopathy, I think she really did already have... doubts? Ideas?
I do wonder if every regeneration is different, as the Doctor's were, or if, being not-quite-Time Lord, she remained the same? Mels is very similar to Melody-not!River, and they're both similar to River, but... not the same.
Oh god, I can't think anymore. I just.
I LOVED THIS EPISODE SO MUCH.
OH GOD--
wait.
I knew I'd forgotten things.
Eleven being manipulative = AWWWWwww, Seven is somewhere feeling proud again.
THE TARDIS SHOWING ROSE AND MARTHA AND DONNA, and his GUILT GUILT GUILT lines? Brilliant, too. And I ache for how he saw Amelia and was like "before I got it all wrong" and I wonder a bit if that wasn't just mixing up the timing, but also the mucking about with her life the cracks did (which maybe he blames himself for) and using her to bring himself back...
FISH FINGERS AND CUSTARD.
In closing, Amy Pond, at any age, WINS THE WORLD AND UNIVERSE.
I am sure I have forgotten many things.
OH OH OH.
The other thing that occurred to me at work: River returning at Amy and Rory's wedding during Pandorica Opens. First, it was just a fluke. Then we all attributed to "oh, right, parents' wedding". NOW, I attribute it to "MELS WAS IN JAIL, SO RIVER GOT TO GO" or something. idk. I am rambling. I'll shut up now.
ETA: oh, and the thing Eleven whispered to Melody is what she whispers to him in the Library.
First, though, the bad bit that I was like "wtf, I hate you, stupid man" about. And that would not be River Song/Mels and her obsession with weight and wardrobe. No, it would be the throw-away line from Captain Stupid to Harriet when she wanted to eyeball things. What was the point of "get your fat ass up there" ffs.
Everyone else appears to be up in arms over the River/Mels weight and wardrobe stuff, but they don't bother me.
"I'm concentrating on a dress size!" - Yes. Probably smart, as regenerating too large or too small would look odd in what she's wearing.
"Going shopping" - while I think her choices were horrible (seriously, that jacket with that camisole? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING, WOMAN?), we already know River Song is a bloody clothes horse. I think Mels was, too.
"I need to go weigh myself." And put on poison lip-gloss as well as eavesdrop. She knows from their reactions something is up, and while she's not really focused on that, it's Melody Pond/River Song, and she's always had a thing for squirreling information away.
OK. ON TO MORE THOUGHTS.
I am trying to be organized about this, and utterly failing.
When the red car swung into the TARDIS, I said, "Hallo, River." But it wasn't River. But it was. Holy fuck. I love Mels, I love that Melody Pond TROLLED HER PARENTS while they were growing up (seriously, listen to all that dialog, knowing Mels is their child. THEY ARE TOTALLY RAISING HER). I love that we got to see more of their childhoods (Aw, Rory, always the Boy, which made you be less cool than Mels).
I love that Hitler was a random side-note that didn't have anything to do with the main plot. I love that, to be honest. Nazis are fucking over-used, and it was nice to have them be unimportant.
That said, "I really do mean, it was just an accident." Oh, Eleven. How he must hate himself just a little, for saving Hitler's life.
The Justice machine full of little people was hilarious and wonderfully SF. A lot of reactions I've seen have called it very Star Trek. I actually found it more Red Dwarf-like, the sets were colored more towards that end of the spectrum. I liked the one little Comms officer (or whatever he was), who was so totally helpful for the Ponds.
AND SPACE SQUIDS. LOL. <3
CAN I TALK ABOUT HOW RIDICULOUSLY WONDERFUL AMY POND IS? Because she is. She is holding it the fuck together under hideously stressful circumstances. I mean, ffs, HER BABY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPPED AND SHE MAY NEVER EVER GET TO RAISE HER--and, yes, her daughter grows into River fucking Song, BUT THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE INITIAL FACT.
Given Amy's already tenuous hold upon allowing other people close, that is one fucking huge slap in the face. Even though it's not River's fault, it's still not something easy to rationalize.
And then Amy finds out that the daughter she lost grew up with her pretending to be someone else entirely. I'm honestly impressed that Amy hasn't literally cracked and had a screaming match with someone over this.
I'm entirely unsurprised that her whole focus was on Rory and the Doctor, and not!River-Melody was a secondary thought. (if I'd just found out my daughter lied to me like that? yeah, I don't think I'd be too upset at someone torturing her--I'd feel guilt later, but all that anger and rage and anguish would have to do something)
Also, Amy with a Sonic = Awesome. I'm pleased she used her brains. (and have horrible ideas for porn now, whoops. Eleven doesn't want to know)
Which is to say, while the preceding paragraphs are true, it's also true that Amy woke up and basically said "My daughter or you die" and I love that so hard, too. OH AMY. <3
How hard would it be to relate to the daughter that you lost, who grew up with you, who lied to you, who killed your best friend, who lied some more--but all of that with the fact that you've met her long before you knew Who She Was, and you respected and trusted her?
Not even Cable trolled his parents this badly for the lullz.
Then again, until that moment in the flashback, I don't know that Mels was certain whom her father was. (I don't think she thought it was Eleven. I mean that she wasn't entirely certain--she only ever had a picture of Amy, after all)
Rory seems like one of those sort of adorable, but annoying, small boys who latch onto someone like a limpet and never release them. This is not really an insult, more an observation.
And he has changed from that. With Amy's love, and the Doctor's help, he's gained confidence in himself. Even if he is still surprised when he does things like PUNCH HITLER IN THE FACE and then lock him in a cupboard. <3
Then he rode a motorcycle (of course you know how, Rory, you used to do it when you were plastic, remember?), punched a Nazi, and helped his wife save their daughter by doing a lot of running.
AND THEN THERE WAS ADORABLENESS AND I LOVE YOUS.
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Then there was Melody, freaked out and terrified and awed all at once that she could fly a TARDIS. She once mocked the Doctor by saying she'd been taught by the best, and of course she was. Then again, he wasn't busy that day, he was dying. Or pretending to die.
Or something like that.
I have so many thoughts about Melody Pond and River Song, and I don't know that I'm coherent.
You remember during Flesh and Stone/Time of the Angels when River told the Doctor to let her get tossed into the crack, as she was a space-time event thingie? And the Doctor was like "no, you're human, nothing helpful"?
River could have told him he was wrong. I mean, ffs, human or not now, she was once a Time Lord and once spent a decade trolling her parents and growing up with them. AND OH GOD THE PARADOXES.
It's like that time Tigh beat Chief up for being a Cylon, and how they both thought they were human. Only more lullzy and less with the fridged women.
There are still things we don't know, things I'm not sure we'll know--but!
But, I do rather love this little backstory for River and Melody. I feel like this gives her the edge back on the Doctor, in a way.
I've always been a bit worried that we'd reach a point where River knew nothing, and he knew everything, but we haven't. Instead, they both know a lot of things about each other. Just not quite in the right order.
I wonder if Kovarian conditioned her to love him and hate him at once?
Mels giving those answers in school, there's a sense that while she thinks the Doctor's a bit superior, she also dislikes him for NOT saving people/stopping things. I wonder if that's part of her conditioning and training, or if it's her own ideas.
I love that Melody Pond grew up with her parents. Even though I hate it,for their sakes. I love that she SOUGHT THEM OUT. Did she always wonder about them, and that's why? Or did she simply believe it was the easiest way to catch the Doctor?
I like to think she sought them out, not that she was conditioned to.
Amy and Rory did change her, I think. You can't be around them and not become someone different--especially as their daughter. They shaped her as much as Kovarian and her ilk did.
The Doctor helped a little, but under the Psychopathy, I think she really did already have... doubts? Ideas?
I do wonder if every regeneration is different, as the Doctor's were, or if, being not-quite-Time Lord, she remained the same? Mels is very similar to Melody-not!River, and they're both similar to River, but... not the same.
Oh god, I can't think anymore. I just.
I LOVED THIS EPISODE SO MUCH.
OH GOD--
wait.
I knew I'd forgotten things.
Eleven being manipulative = AWWWWwww, Seven is somewhere feeling proud again.
THE TARDIS SHOWING ROSE AND MARTHA AND DONNA, and his GUILT GUILT GUILT lines? Brilliant, too. And I ache for how he saw Amelia and was like "before I got it all wrong" and I wonder a bit if that wasn't just mixing up the timing, but also the mucking about with her life the cracks did (which maybe he blames himself for) and using her to bring himself back...
FISH FINGERS AND CUSTARD.
In closing, Amy Pond, at any age, WINS THE WORLD AND UNIVERSE.
I am sure I have forgotten many things.
OH OH OH.
The other thing that occurred to me at work: River returning at Amy and Rory's wedding during Pandorica Opens. First, it was just a fluke. Then we all attributed to "oh, right, parents' wedding". NOW, I attribute it to "MELS WAS IN JAIL, SO RIVER GOT TO GO" or something. idk. I am rambling. I'll shut up now.
ETA: oh, and the thing Eleven whispered to Melody is what she whispers to him in the Library.
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AMY GETS INTO TROUBLE A LOT, TOO. <3<3 <3
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But yeah, other than those annoying bits, basically I squeed over everything you did.
At first I thought it was unnecessary that they mentioned she used up her regenerations, since her death at the Library was already mentioned as being something that one couldn't regenerate after. But then I realized it was to explain why she doesn't shoot herself, regenerate, and save the Doctor at Lake Silencio in the future.
I admit I'm just a tiny bit bummed that River got over her programing so quickly, since I rather loved Evil!River. I'm hoping the next time we see River (well, maybe not the next time we see her since she could be anywhere in her timestream...but the next time we see Early Timestream River) she's still a bit...off and maybe still dealing with some lingering urges or something.
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But then I realized it was to explain why she doesn't shoot herself, regenerate, and save the Doctor at Lake Silencio in the future.
That is an incredibly good point. (because it's River, and she'd do it)
As for her programming, I'm not sure she's over it, entirely? There's a change of heart thing, but there's still--ok, during A Good Man Goes To War, when they meet at the end, there's very much that psychopath edge. She shows it, too, during Day of the Moon. So I think that psychopathicness (IS THAT EVEN A WORD?) is still there. Just muted, a bit.
Though if it never shows again, I shall be annoyed. ffs, even Leela took forever to stop knifing people when they annoyed her. And she traveled with a less "let's destroy bad things" Doctor (ok, somewhat less. Four had his "LET ME SHOW YOU WHY YOU DO NOT CROSS ME" moments. Usually after having been knocked unconscious two or three times)
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But then I think only three people actually saw Meet Dave, and one of those people was apparently Steven Moffat, so mystery solved!
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I loved it SO MUCH! Even with the problematic bits of dialogue.
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The Doctor knows how to fight hate, and evil, and bitterness, and all the ugly things. He knows, because he's been doing it (
mostlysuccessfully) for a longlong time.What he doesn't have a counter for is love.
And that's why Melody/River is the weapon they sent to destroy him.
...smrt or dum?
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"Not even Cable trolled his parents this badly for the lullz." Stryfe, on the other hand... ;)
You pretty much nailed all the moments of awesome, and I loved the past companions and how they showed up.
And I love how Karen's cousin keeps showing up as Amelia, like a bonus companion.
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THERE IS NO NEED FOR STRYFE IN DW. DO NOT GIVE TEH MOFF IDEAS, JASON.
Karen's cousin is SO adorable. =D
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I just. MY FINGERS ARE CROSSED. I want Moff to pull it off, to deliver on all he's done. But I... am not going to hold my breath.
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"I have a gun, you have a time machine. Let's kill Hitler."
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