don't you fade away...

[lyssie]

1. YOU GUYS. I think my favorite quote from the whole deliciously wanky Gabaldon debacle is this delicious tidbit: I am sorry her friend has cancer, but do we let "poor people" rob banks because they need the money? Absurd.

HELPING A FRIEND WITH CANCER BY WRITING FANFIC IS LIKE ROBBING A BANK.

That bit is so so tasty. *pets it* (especially the "poor people" in quotes, as though there aren't real poor people out there, only fakers, who all have TONS OF MONEY and resources and all. "poor people", the myth of 2010...)

2. There was this (spoilery) secret for Burton's Alice in Wonderland today. And I... I want to shake this person and everyone who replies to it. Fantasy dreamland < REAL LIFE ADVENTURES OF AWESOMENESS. Do any of them really think Alice is not using the strength and courage she found in Underland and applying it to her life? Seriously? BAH. That is a woman who is SAILING INTO THE UNKOWN. That is far more fantastical than a world of dreams.

3. Just for the record, Elizabeth's speech in At World's End still gets me. I go all googly-eyed and sniffle. What should we die for?

4. I am home from work tomorrow, since we're back to 32-hour weeks. I also have sent off a request for a hearing and shall spend the day doing research into things.

Comments

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Eeeeee! Yes! And possibly write fic.

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

1. How did I miss that part?! *dies*
2. You know, I had the same reaction to that secret, just didn't bother commenting. O_o Also, arrgh at people saying they wanted Johnny Depp to turn up in "real life" at the end. If that happened I would've stabbed the movie in the face.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

1. It was on the third page of comments, I think. ALL I KNOW, was that I read it and was like. "...I watch Leverage and write fanfic. MUCH IS EXPLAINED."

2. OH, I would have wanted to punch someone on the production staff if Depp had appeared in the end! I was actually sort of expecting it, since that was how the lame Syfy thing ended. LUCKILY, it didn't. And I was up late and loopy, so of course I commented. =D

[scarfman]

I followed your link to the Gabaldon blogpost and commented. You've probably heard these arguments from me before, but I said:

"I believe fanfiction of a copyrighted property is and of a right ought to be fair use, like parody, when there is no profit made and no infringement on the holder's market. Now, my fandoms are all screen franchises, and I'm sure it's arguable there's a difference in fanfiction's market effect between your intellectual property and, say, STAR WARS; so with that qualification I agree with you as far as your own works are concerned. But there are strong legal arguments out there, some citing existing case law, that support the no-profit-nor-market-infringement position, and I agree with them too.

"(I also believe fanfiction is inevitable. The modern screen adventure hero is the contemporary equivalent of the fireside oral folklore hero of all human history up till now. The hiccup in normality is not that I treat these characters as if I owned them; the hiccup in normality is that they are owned.)"

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

She has updated, now. http://voyagesoftheartemis.blogspot.com/2010/05/fan-fic-ii.html

And possibly relaxed her "your are eviiiil" stance a bit?

[scarfman]

Possibly, but many many of the people commenting are finding it insufficient apology for the analogies she made in the first post.

[the-jackalope.livejournal.com]

But that poster COMPLETELY missed the point of the movie. And people are agreeing with it? OMG NOOOO.

Look, it's like The Wizard of Oz, fantasy places are nice to visit, but in the end there's no place like home. And you take what you learn there and use it in your life. Fantasy places are to make us stronger for the real world.

Though I suppose you could make the argument that Baum destroyed that when he had Dorothy, Auntie Em and Uncle Henry move to Oz, but still...

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

YES, that!

See, though, I think there's a difference in that. Because Oz became their Real World, by that point. Whereas, for Alice, while there was Underland/Wonderland, there was also this whole world for her to explore where she could still be with her family.

ok, so it's sort of splitting hairs.

[the-jackalope.livejournal.com]

No, it's not splitting hairs, because you're right. By that time Oz had become home. There was nothing left in Kansas. Where as Alice had so much to do in the real world. And to deny her that is to deny her any sort of growth and stuff.

I don't think I'd have a problem with someone writing a fic where an even older Alice returns to Underworld after her many adventures in the real word. But I think I'd like it better if it were her daughter who went back. Or her son. Or a nephew.

[blue-crow.livejournal.com]

Oh man that post is hilariously fussy. I always think when I see authors who have that kind of drama about their intellectual property and how much they need to limit what their fans do... that y'know, sometimes I'd just rather not do fanworks for them. Don't they get that it builds community around their work and inspires way more passion than just blindly consuming them does? If I couldn't write about, say, BSG? All I'd have left is my dissatisfaction with the ending. I mean, I get what they're *really* worried about- which is that other people may have takes on their characters that they're uncomfortable with, and that other people are putting fiction on the internet for free when they're trying to make money, but... if your work can't survive free fiction on the internet, you're kinda screwed, and lots of people probably are horribly misinterpreting your characters already.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

THIS. Yes, all of that, too.

I'd like to see Ron try to stop the fan community... *amused* (there's a fight I wanna see!)

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

1. I think this is the fourth or fifth time I've seen moral outrage from an author about fanfiction. It's always sort of hilarious, as they tend to alienate people who would have been fans... Or become bywords in fandom (like Anne Rice, Laurell K Hamilton, Lee Goldberg and Terry Goodkind)

2. Yes! Though I would travel with the Doctor--and I do think that Alice is going to be creating her own adventures in wonderland simply by virtue of living and poking at places she's never been.

[alryssa.livejournal.com]

This individual's friend with cancer clearly just needs ~longer bootstraps~ to pull herself up with or something.

It really kind of pisses me off that someone who has admitted to ripping off a DW character for her own enjoyment to make money is telling other people that fanfiction is illegal/immoral. But you know, if you strip the name and change things around just a wee tad, that's JUST DANDY, in her world.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Yep. (apparently DG is donating signed books to the charity action now? Which, good on her)

Changing the name is totally different!!!!!111!

Sigh. Then again, one of these days I'll finish some epic Kara/Sam AU, file off the serial numbers, re-write large portions, and try shopping it around, probably.

Hey, it worked for a Kara/Lee shipper!

[blue-crow.livejournal.com]

I've heard there's a steampunk novel floating around that's really obviously mary-sue Harry Potter fanfiction with Harry as her BFF and Draco as the love interest.

[alryssa.livejournal.com]

Don't forget the thinly-veiled self-insert character.

[brookiki.livejournal.com]

You know, generally when someone says something stupid without thinking and has to deal with fallout like this, I feel bad for them. Even if what they said was bad to begin with, no one deserves (what feels like) the entire internet raining down on their head.

In this case? I hope she's getting fallout from this for a very, very long time. It was just a combination of the lack of compassion, the pseudo-law lecture, and the sheer amount of contempt she heaped on people who had the nerve to read/write fan fic.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Bwah. Yes. To be fair, I think that some of her 'fans' were worse. But I do think she had quite a bit of analogy fail, and when it was pointed out to her, should have issued an apology. Instead, she's just... admitting that maybe it's not so bad and might be done from loooove.

And she's donating to the auction.

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

1. On the plus side of the whole fanfic debate, Gabaldon seems to be taking people's comments about fanfic being, you know, not entirely illegal and not all morally bankrupt perverts (sarcastic summary of her words) into account now (http://voyagesoftheartemis.blogspot.com/2010/05/fan-fic-ii.html).

2. While I would love to discover portals to alternate universes, I agree with you.

4. Good luck!

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

1. Yes! And she's going to donate stuff, which is nice.

2. See, I'd play in those and run around, but I still like to think I'd come home, too.

4. Thank you. My request has at least been acknowledged. Now I just wait.

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

2. There's a reason when people *do* go off on these adventures, they are usually trying to get home again. Also, even the Doctor entices people by saying they can go home anytime they like, really.

[acetal.livejournal.com]

You'd think people would stop trusting him on the `I can drop you off five minutes ago. Honest!' thing. Particularly if they'd been given good reason not to.

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

You'd think...

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

1. What? Ahahahahaha. I always disliked Gabaldon because I thought her writing was awful. Nice to discover she's insane in real life, too.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

*giggles* I only knew of her, because the Outlander ads are in so many different romance/SF novels.