So, I don't get this. I really don't.
There's a lack of well-written female and non-white characters on TV and in media. But people who whine about that, still watch things produced and created by people who are shit at writing anything but white males
HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LOGIC WORK?
If you want more well-written women and non-white characters? STOP WATCHING AND SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DO IT.
Otherwise? Shut the fuck up about how you want no sexism and racism in TV and media. Because you are PART OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM.
HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LOGIC WORK?
If you want more well-written women and non-white characters? STOP WATCHING AND SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DO IT.
Otherwise? Shut the fuck up about how you want no sexism and racism in TV and media. Because you are PART OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM.
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(Yeah, all "sides" tend to use the argument, but...)
Also, this may be why most English language stuff I watch is SFF and period dramas.
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It's not doing so great this season, but when I used to be able to point at NCIS and say they were being better about race and gender than fucking Stargate, BSG and any OTHER SFF show?
Yeah.
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(This is what I get for consistently being years behind the rest of fandom.)
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Unfortunately ...despite agreeing to some extent with the sentiment. It does not reflect the entity that is 'jo public' and until 'jo public' cares enough to be educated? People will continue to use a genre that is 'popular' and makes errr....money!
Sad.
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Because it does not reflect what we may like to see? Will not stop people from watching. Their prerogative...studio money. The internet in this is tiny really.
Money talks Lalala. Sad... as I said. What interests me is how this can be changed.
IF the role is perceived as not strong...do we then denigrate the actors? They like us....most times in this genre are just making a living. I guess to have principals...requires financial security. Round and round and round. Never saw Supernatural Lyssie...will give it a miss LOL!
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I like "cis-gendered", but then I'm from the section of ScienceNerdLand that it comes from. And I like Supernatural when it's not making me insane with rage. I know there's hypocrisy there; I try not to be obnoxious about it. There are worse things than hypocrisy, IMO. I'd rather vice be scared enough of virtue to pay tribute to it, than honestly contemptuous of it.
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Heh, my thoughts too. I'd basically have to sell my TV.
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idk. I guess we should just be glad women and non-white men can talk, y?
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Also, Lyssie, you could have said flat-out that you were pissed at us for watching SGU or Supernatural or Smallville or Heroes or Dollhouse (I'm only watching one of them, but it sounds from the comments like your anger is directed at people watching any of these shows). You could also call us out by name.
According to many, Gray's Anatomy is the best show on TV for both women and PoC. Personally, it makes me want to vomit and I would never watch it. (And the women act like such blithering idiots all the time that I frankly don't understand why they're held up as a shining example of a women's TV show.)
The CSIs, etc. to me are murder porn, and I won't watch them for that very reason.
I am curious - what do you think about Sanctuary? It has a lot of kick-ass women. It's also produced by some of the people you loathe.
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Like, if everyone who watched and loved BSG actually acknowledged its flaws instead of praising the writers, the writers might have given a fuck about the women and not killed them all? But we had large portions of fandom defending the sexist choices (not to mention PRAISING sexist choices like Dee's suicide), and I just...don't get it. And "Supernatural" fandom is a good example of this, where the fans keep motivating the writers to be ever more sexist. I...would like to think that it could work the other way if people grew brains overnight in a magical miracle from heavens?
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(I tend not to speak about POC characters and rasism in other countries shows because many things are culturally determined and, despite watching American shows all my life, I often am puzzled by what is acceptable an what is not. I, however, have always been puzzled by the lack of Asian and Native American characters in US TV scape.)