I just happen to think that Asimov is better than Heinlein.
And apparently, the male penile presentation challenge has been dropped. The men at the table seem to think that you need to show up and prove your manhood.
I enjoy Heinlein too. Part of it is, he's a product of his times. And we've changed so much, a lot of people can't disconnect from their own worldview, I think.
Not necessarily a bad thing - I don't want the world to go back to a lot of the 1940s and 1950s worldview.
I got stuck on "women don't like Heinlein" and then I read on and it got worse. I suppose that when I went through my Stranger in a Strange Land phase an invisible penis must have stuck to me. I grew out of Heinlein but I love hard SF and space opera and have a soft spot for the classics - him and Asimov, Clarke, van Vogt.
I wonder where all those people been hiding all their lives that they somehow manage to miss all the female geeks. All those comics, epic fantasy and hard SF loving women I see everywhere. I also know of men addicted to urban fantasy romance. Literary taste is not penis-dependent.
If I struggle really, really hard, I can pretend that they're secretly enlightened, and they think it's like how a lot of women hate Hemmingway because female sexuality is evil unless you've been raped, in which case, you have no worth unless a man tells you you do.
ETA: Bleh. Too early to be clever. I should just watch something with a lot of death and violence until I wake up.
I don't like Hemmingway because his stories were always, always so bloody boring and depressing. (Severe depression left untreated, ja?)
I did sort of like The Old Man and the Sea, but man, the rest of his stuff... snore fest! (I have a memory for books read & man, Parkway West Sr. High made some strange choices for their literature they chose for us to read. :-p)
Given the presumably unintended misogyny peppering much of his work, and his clumsy overcompensating in his later works, I can see how this phrasure could occur to someone (someone who has a penis) as a rhetorical simplification of a complex argument that couldn't be put forward properly in less than a dozen words or perhaps paragraphs.
This. I can separate out the things I enjoy about Heinlein from his whoa!outdated worldview, but I also know that, had a penis, I would find that process much easier. (She says, having observed this process in Husband, who has the option of being oblivious and often takes this option in his media choices.)
Shorter: men have many more media options available which do not start out with the supposition that they are not fully human.
I've tried reading him, but I have to give up. My brain just can't absorb it all. Must be my lack of dangly bits! Also some of the plot is (well for me)just jackass stupid! Sorry, I know he is well liked in the scifi world. I just don't even try anymore! Sticking with Phillip Dick! and Octavia Butler.
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Apparently, it needs to be a symbiote penis in a canobic jar and giving us testosterone in order for us to fully appreciate all that is Heinlein.
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Heinlen, not so much.
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I just happen to think that Asimov is better than Heinlein.
And apparently, the male penile presentation challenge has been dropped. The men at the table seem to think that you need to show up and prove your manhood.
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I also wish I were at the con, for I would totally walk over and drop my pants.
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I love Heinlein. My penis is purple, in my drawer and has a bunny on it. ;}
Lyssie, it was SO great to have dinner with you. High point. TOTALLY.
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Not necessarily a bad thing - I don't want the world to go back to a lot of the 1940s and 1950s worldview.
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I wonder where all those people been hiding all their lives that they somehow manage to miss all the female geeks. All those comics, epic fantasy and hard SF loving women I see everywhere. I also know of men addicted to urban fantasy romance. Literary taste is not penis-dependent.
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ETA: Bleh. Too early to be clever. I should just watch something with a lot of death and violence until I wake up.
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I did sort of like The Old Man and the Sea, but man, the rest of his stuff... snore fest! (I have a memory for books read & man, Parkway West Sr. High made some strange choices for their literature they chose for us to read. :-p)
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Given the presumably unintended misogyny peppering much of his work, and his clumsy overcompensating in his later works, I can see how this phrasure could occur to someone (someone who has a penis) as a rhetorical simplification of a complex argument that couldn't be put forward properly in less than a dozen words or perhaps paragraphs.
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Shorter: men have many more media options available which do not start out with the supposition that they are not fully human.
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Gave a really different interpretation to the second line, however.
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and Octavia Butler.
good idea!
wait....
(not sure about the Star Beast)