lyssie | quick K/S meta or thoughts

No spoilers for the finale, though spoilers up to it?

Quick meta comments on some Kara/Sam stuff. (spoilers, obvsly)

Back around Revelations, one of the theories I came up with (never posted, sadly) about how Kara and Sam would reconcile him being a Cylon was, if he'd get injured--Kara would be faced with his mortality, with her own, and that would make her more willing to step up and accept what he is. I'd based that theory on my own twisting of it during 'On the Painted Desert' (a story I'm afraid to look at again for fear it will... um. make me realize Ron stole Paulla from me)

It was also a bit similar to Helo shooting Sharon, except since they'd already done that, I was expecting someone else to shoot Sam (as Bullets notes, I was expecting it to be Felix, though, DAMN IF SOME OF BULLETS isn't now canon), and Kara to... well..

Do what happened in canon.

Of course, Ron took it over the top and smashed Sam into itty bits and stole his brains and stuff.

But it's still... interesting that he went the way I'd thought he would.

I mean, I've always thought Kara loved Sam very deeply. She just never saw a need to show it in words (that's not what they have EVER been about. Gestures, not words). And Kara, who grew up with a mother who hated her and a father who walked out on her doesn't exactly have the best example of what makes a good relationship to pull from.

Sam himself isn't exactly the best example of a person able to express himself--he's better at it than Kara, but sometimes... sometimes, he really sucks at it.

Although, like Kara, he's into big gestures and actions as proof rather than just paying lip service to "I love you", though he does that, as well.

Which still doesn't answer the question of whether Sam would be ok with an open marriage (if that's what they had on New Caprica, as in my opinion, that jury will always be out until we get a flashback to Kara frakking around on him).

Otoh, Kara's the one who tied herself to him, if she'd wanted to frak around, she didn't have to marry the boy.

*gets distracted* Enough talking in circles from me.

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I realize that cut scenes are totally not canon, but the fact that a cut scene exists makes that characterization for these people *plausible* and canonish, if that makes any sense. And, well, I always thought that the cut scene from "Collaborators" sort of kills the whole open marriage back on New Caprica bit. For me, anyway. I...do think he's more likely to be open to it towards the end of season three, but that's because their relationship changes a lot during that season, especially from his point of view.

And while I do think that bullet to his head was one of the most plausible ways to repair their relationship, it's mostly all from her POV. I'm annoyed that while we got a lot of shippiness, we never got much interaction, and no development at all for Sam as a character this whole second half. Which, really, could've been all fixed if he had just woken up at some point.

Is there actually a cut scene of her frakking around on him? I didn't know that. Sigh.

And, well, Sam really doesn't exist as a character right now. He's just a fixture of the plot, which was what I was worried about. And the sad thing is, Sam has almost always been a fixture, and then they broke him out of that mold and gave him a plot of his own and then... folded it back into Kara's.

No, not that. That cut scene with them discussing Kara's decision to be a pilot again? Just their interaction there sort of reads for me that there's no way that she was sleeping around on him.

I know he was introduced as part of Kara's story, so it's not totally wrong for him to end up as a part of her story (at least, not the way it's wrong for Roslin's story to now be mostly about Adama's pain. Sigh), but it still feels unfair. I...sort of enjoy seeing characters (and relationships) grow beyond what they were initially conceived as, and I think Sam and Kara/Sam both did this wonderfully, and I was impressed that the writers were taking time to develop these when they may not have been part of their plan. Except, this season totally undid all of that. And I feel that even if we get a happy ending with them, I would still be annoyed by all the lack of interaction.

Edited 2009-03-15 23:00 (UTC)

oh! Yeah, that scene. Where he's a bit spoiled brat and sulky (which is understandable). and while I might flipflop on it, despite Ron's assertion, I'm more inclined to go with "wasn't sleeping around on him".

And the lack of interaction is what makes this all so frustrating! (not even on a Kara/Sam level. NO ONE is interacting with her, and she's so isolated, and I'm pissed that we didn't get the scene with her and Sam discussing music, even if he is nothing but a hybrid right now)

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Dude. Women don't talk to each other! BSG has repeatedly hammered this home. And if they do, it's only so they can be catty. (which is why, obviously, one of us is actually male)

Well, it can't be me, unless these are fake...

Yeah, I think the Sam/Kara angst in season three would've been a lot less angsty if they had an open marriage to begin with. And that scene, in particular, highlights that for me.

And yeah, the music. Sigh. And there were so many other things I wanted to see them discuss or not discuss, but at least have the choice in that by him not being in a coma.

And as much as I love Kara in general, she really is the kind of character who is best utilized in her interaction with other people. So, yeah, her character has suffered too from this isolation.

That's... I'm not sure? Maybe less angst on Kara's part, but... Sam wasn't exactly "me Sam, you my wife, *grunt*" about it. He was mostly just pissed and angsty because she wouldn't talk to him. (and I bet talking is something he thinks helps)

On Kara's part, sure. Then she wouldn't feel guilty at all--

Though I suppose then we wouldn't have got Sam's stalking off in Unfinished Business, or that delicious edge to his comment to Lee about Lee not being the first in Eye of J. (which produced one of the best "O.o" Lee looks EVER)

Of course, as I've said often before, Sam was mostly just pissed because, hey, Lee. You can look and touch and feel, but you don't get to keep her...

Hrm.

I have mostly forgotten what I was going to say. But I think by angst, I meant that they were clearly having issues reaching to the same conclusion in that scene, and issues with communication, as you said in that Sam wanted to talk, and Kara was in a totally different place.

That look on Lee's face makes everything worth it. <3 And, well, it also makes me think that Sam probably knew he was going to get that reaction, which possibly influences my thinking that he said it to push Lee's buttons. Or maybe I'm just biased because of the shipping. One of those, I'm sure.

I... Actually, I think there still would have been angst. It just would have been different, because Sam wouldn't be... idk. I'm having a hard time differentiating, because I tend to just assume both are true (which makes no sense, ya). hrm.

And I've thought Sam totally planned that line to nail Lee where it hurt for a long time. I was calling him Machiavellli Anders, once upon a time.

I'd appreciate it being him waking up and dragging Kara off over his shoulder. ;]

Ron clearly doesn't know his characters as well as he thinks he does. How many of the actors have bitch-slapped him over the course of the show (sometimes even so he noticed, like with Tricia and Gina becoming a prostitute to get over what was done to her on Pegasus) by taking what was written and changing how it actually came out on screen? Yes, Sam told Lee that Kara slept around on New Cap, but the way it was played, as opposed to how it may have been written or intended, was that Sam was needling Lee, that it was a lie designed to hurt Lee.

I still have hope that Sam will finally wake up sometime during these last two hours (*sob*) and that there will be Kara/Sam interaction. Even so, I think some of my sudden enthusiasm and desire and FRAKKING IDEAS OMG for my Sam and head!Jean fic to become the sequel to Scenes From a Liberation is a direct result of these last few eps - Sam's coma, Kara's obvious and deep love for Sam, the connection between Hera and Kara and the FF, and then Hera's most recent kidnapping. Dude. I think I'm totally rewriting the end of the show the way my brain tells me it should be. :P

The Gina thing still.... good god, they just did not think that one through.

And, yeah, Trucco and Katee basically decided between them that Kara wasn't doing any such thing on NC. Which I approve of.

*fingers crossed* He better wake up. I might have to stomp my foot a lot. ALSO. Please please please write that? I've been wanting a sequel to it for yeeeeeeeeeeeeears. *cute*

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