la la la, hello Sunday

[lyssie]

1. Apparently, not having seen any Dollhouse I'm not allowed to have an opinion on it. oooooook, then. Because, y'know, the premise isn't skeevy in the least. Nope. (you people do know that if Joss Whedon's name weren't attached to it, a show about hookers who get their memories wiped would be on something like Showtime at 3am, right? And it wouldn't be considered high-class)

2. I'm sorry to those of you who have hard times with pain after dental work. Mine has been minimal all day. Though poking the big hole is a bit odd. Also. Stitches are weird to lick at.

3. I napped like a fiend this morning, though.

4. Dear BBC, please put Mother Love out on dvd already, you frakkers. Red Cap would be nice, too.

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[musicforcylons.livejournal.com]

Sunday says go to bed, it will see you just as well when there is daylight to look by.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

I diiiid. Though it didn't let me sleep forever and ever.

[musicforcylons.livejournal.com]

Sunday approves. Also, it feels forever and ever would imply death and happily held that back.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Sunday loves me, yay.

[lilacsigil.livejournal.com]

Maybe it's more that there's a lot of people expressing opinions on Dollhouse without seeing it. It's like a meme or something.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Does it help if I say the new Stargate show is going to suck balls, too? Though not literally, as they can't get away with panty-shots and hookers. Well. One hopes not, at least.

[endis-ni.livejournal.com]

Don't worry, it really is well skeevy, and watching the first episode makes no difference to that opinion at all.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

In all honesty, watching the first episode made it even skeevier to me.

[dreagoddess.livejournal.com]

I think that someone can have an opinion on a concept without having seen it, but if I'm going to listen to one opinion over another, it'll be the person who's seen it. Because some really skeevy concepts can be very well-executed.

That said, having seen it, I think it's skeevy.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

They can be, but if they're the entire premise... *shudder*

[prozacpark.livejournal.com]

I don't mind the premise, which has the potential to actually be feminist if they used it to deconstruct the type of story they're telling instead of, you know, telling it straight as they seem to be. It's actually Joss' name being attached to it that's making it skeevy for me.

But, more importantly, are you saying that you actually found people who liked Dollhouse?!

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

See, I can't even begin to see how it could be non-skeevy let alone feminist. Maybe if they weren't having their minds wiped every. single. day.

Hell, Ghost in the Shell: Innocence did it, and they acknowledged it was HIGHLY skeevy and those were only robots and copies of peoples' personalities.

eta: and yes. Joss Whedon is apparently good enough to get people to lick his new show?

[prozacpark.livejournal.com]

It would take an extremely talented writer and she/he would be walking a very fine line, but I've seen it done before. I just don't think Joss can ever get past his issues enough to do it. And really, for all that Buffy gave us a working female heroic journey in the classical tradition, I have found everything Joss has done since then (including Angel) to have been highly sexist and problematic.

My entire friendslist seems to be hating on this, and I don't care enough to venture out into the actual general reviews. But...I'm surprised that it's getting any positive reviews at all.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

From what I can see, most of my flist is "it wasn't awful, but Joss says it'll be six episodes before we get back to what HE wanted to do, so I'll stick with it, yay!"

Although I think there were a few "wow, that was awesome. Yay!" reviews.

But seriously, the point of a pilot is to hook you. And if it fails, I'm not sticking around for the rest! Firefly's 'Train Job' hooked me because I have a thing for shit like that. If they'd put 'Serenity' on as the pilot, I would have stopped watching halfway through.

[prozacpark.livejournal.com]

But seriously, the point of a pilot is to hook you. And if it fails, I'm not sticking around for the rest! Firefly's 'Train Job' hooked me because I have a thing for shit like that. If they'd put 'Serenity' on as the pilot, I would have stopped watching halfway through.

Pilots never hook me, so I'm not the ideal TV watcher. I think most shows do take a bit before they get into their stride, and well, often, pilots are too expositiony for me, and I hate exposition. I gave up on BSG after the pilot bored me, but I knew that it was well-written enough that I would return to it when I was being less impatient. "Dollhouse," well, the writing sucks. See? Premise, characters, and plots can all be improved. But if the *writing* sucks? There's no help for a show.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Apparently, this wasn't even the pilot of Dollhouse. They made them shoot more and show something else instead....

Well. Their new method failed even more abysmally.

[prozacpark.livejournal.com]

As much as I love blaming FOX for all the evil in the world, I do think Joss' premise is problematic on its own. And, well, the characterization sucked more than anything else, so it's not even a plotting issue. These are the people Joss created, and his thing for childlike heroines is as creepy as ever.

[drake57.livejournal.com]

What, you're supposed to actually watch "Dollhouse"?
I just watch the commercials,they give away the whole concept of the show,so i don't have to watch it.
It's much better that way. :)

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAH. Yeah. Sadly for it, watching the first ten minutes sort of tells you where it's going, too.

[waterdaughter.livejournal.com]

1. Man, that show sounded hinky as shit when I first heard about it, and we actually watched it last night and it IS hinky as shit. Ugh, fuck that.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

This is good to know, dude. (Domino would certainly not approve)

[foible.livejournal.com]

Not sure which was skeevier: the show? Or the fanboy wanky promo shots with Summer Glau and Eliza Dushku?

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

I vote both, because the show had the "look at my panties" dress.

[endis-ni.livejournal.com]

And knee-level camera angles, as I recall.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

*shudders* yes.

[prozacpark.livejournal.com]

Oh, my god. That dress. Just. Yeah.

[timjr.livejournal.com]

So yeah, I watched it. And... wow, our first episode we implant the main character with memories of childhood kidnapping and sexual abuse?

...Yeah, that's fun.

If the show ends with these characters beating the shit out of the people in charge, MAYBE it'll be okay.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Well, dude, you know that's the only reason girls grow up to be kick ass chicks. They have to be abused and raped and beaten up a lot before they can actually, y'know, kick ass.

Otherwise, they grow up to be cute little stay at home mothers who are barefoot in the kitchen.

(wow, though, it's really good I didn't have the sound up)

[timjr.livejournal.com]

Mmmmm, tropes that need to die in a fire.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

rar. Yes I'm sorry, btw. I am apparently crankier than I'd thought this morning. (also, how many of those abused girls really grows up to be uncontrollable bitches rather than women trapped in abusive relationships because that's how the cycle really works?)

[rihansu.livejournal.com]

1) I haven't seen it either because the concept totally squicks me. And probably won't (baring some completely awesome twist, and I honestly can't even contemplate what would be awesome enough because it's just that squicky.) I just can't handle the mind wipe thing as a plot device. Lately I've been having a harder time than usual dealing with the way fandom erases women from the text and I just can't handle something so similar right now.

4) Oh man, I so want Red Cap dvds. I loved that show.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

1. When I first heard the concept, I assumed it was a joke and that it would never get made. Funny how that works. And word on fandom. (someone else mentioned this sounded very Pretender-like, and I'm boggled, because the Pretender NEVER forgot who he WAS)

Argh.

4. It kills me that they never put it out (not to mention canceling it, ARGH. Bastards)

[holdouttrout.livejournal.com]

Not to mention that Pretender, at least, had the main character already escaped and not being tortured every week, and oh, he was also male. (Okay, so Parker had a not good past, either, but at least she wasn't sexually abused.)

And we were pretty sure that all that shit was wrong from the first moment of the show.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Well. And the Pretender sort of KNEW it was cheesy and still managed to deliver.

[rihansu.livejournal.com]

I think when it was first announced I thought it was going to be like a more scifi version of The Pretender (which was cheezy good fun and I loved that show), I guess I didn't realize the mind wipe aspect of it. Or I assumed there was something missing from the description. Once I realized it was going to be what it turned out to be, my interest dropped to zero.

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

I don't think there ever has been a good feminist tv show. For one thing, you'd have to make the lead character non-white and non-male and non-whiny.

And they'd have to have a history that wasn't "raped/abused as a child."

As far as I can tell, tv writers don't want to bother doing hard things like writing women as people who grew up with decent lives.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

My post ep 1 of Dollhouse opinion is about the same as my pre ep 1 opinion, but with added "this is kinda really manga-ish" and "OH HAI HOT BLONDE CHICK WITH GUN WHY AM I SO EASY?"

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Well, hey, as long as you're not looking for deep social meaning in the text it's all good, right?

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Is there supposed to be deep social meaning in the text?

The premise is amazingly skeevtastic, but I'm pretty sure that dress wasn't meant to make us think deep social thoughts.