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lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2009-02-11 07:22 am
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more thoughts on Blood on the Scales...

Non-shippy. This is actually Cylon-related nonsense because, well, I <3 my Cylons. (and this has all been fluttering around my brains for a while)

1. So. One of the things about this episode that I sort of really hate is the way the Cylons are reduced to one-dimensional Evil until Roslin tells them Bill Adama won't like them.

If the Cylons are trying to prove they're trust-worthy and deserving of a place in the fleet, then running is the last option they should ever consider.

If they seriously want that seat on the quorum? Yeah. Running = automatic forfeit.

This, coupled with how the Eight on the raptor in the webisodes was killing people (and on New Caprica, too), says to me that, really, the writers are still using them as a crutch. They are Evil and there's no reforming, ever.

The other thing is that, all of the above? Is the stuff I expected Roslin to bitch-slap them with. If they want to be taken seriously, running at the first sign of trouble is bad.

Instead, Roslin spouted some "join the Bill Adama fan club" bullshit that should never have swayed them.

And Tory. Tory who used to, y'know, be a politician? Tory should have been the one to say, "You want our help? We want our spot on the quorum." That would have been the thinky and human and selfish Cylons I knew. Not these scared robots who wanted to go hide under the covers.

Hell. I know I'm a Cylon fan, but even from a logical, plot standpoint, having the Cylons run away accomplishes nothing except make Bill Adama look Awesome. And that's sort of annoying and stupid.

2. Roslin's "I'm coming for all of you" line. Seriously, people, I never thought anything could knock "We're going the wrong way!" out of the top spot for stupidest written line EVER. Is it that Angelli sucks at emphatic dialog, or something? Because both of those lines are utterly horrible and cause the women speaking them to sound like bimboes. On top of which, MAKING ME LAUGH. Because that's really what I should be doing when they're all serious business, you know.

3. Sparky gives all the ships jump coordinates.... and never orders them to jump. At least, not until Chief is conveniently breaking the engine, when it's pointless for him to do so.

He has an enemy ship in the midst of his fleet and one jump will get them away from it, AND away from the problem of Laura Roslin (not to mention Gaius, who is a known polarizing figure and agitator at the best of times), and.... and...

They stay right where they are, allowing her time to communicate with the rest of the fleet.

Because that's so smart.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Katee sadly couldn't pull it off for me. That line is just atrocious and should NEVER have been delivered. (the straight-audio track is even worse, which is sad)

Hell, them being concerned about the FF and Hera would've been nice (someone else mentioned Caprica's baby, but that may not be common knowledge yet), too.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Well. Yes. But he did give us Kara saying "fuck everything else" and clinging to her husband. So I'm kinda ok with that.
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[identity profile] cujoy.livejournal.com 2009-02-11 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually thought that the surest sign that Angeli wrote BOTS was the existence of the ultra-beautiful, but way dumbed down sex-toy "I want to make you feel better" Six. Because, what? Since when have Sixes been that naive?

I agree that "We're going the wrong way!" and "I'm coming for all of you!" were both quite over the top.

[identity profile] greycoupon.livejournal.com 2009-02-11 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't forget Romo showing up to save the day.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
What's really funny is I never had a problem with the Six, if only because I figure all of them want to know why Caprica likes Gaius. I shall now wankily write fic where she was the virgin sacrifice sent to investigate, and on returning, she'll report that he ain't all that.

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[identity profile] cujoy.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
LOL! That sounds wonderful. I can't wait to read it. :D
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[identity profile] nicole-anell.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
BWAH! You're awesome.

[identity profile] noybusiness.livejournal.com 2009-02-11 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I disagree with #2 with all the disagreement possible. On 1 and 3 you have points.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that's nice. I'll still laugh my ass off at it.

[identity profile] noybusiness.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
A reaction which would have gotten you an eye full of Roslin's eyeteeth if you had been on the baseship.

I'd let her do whatever she wanted with the ship after that speech, too. Note for all of Tom Zarek's future incarnations - do not underestimate Laura Roslin.

[identity profile] noybusiness.livejournal.com 2009-02-11 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Specifically on #1, I think both "Oh shit, let's get the hell out of dodge" and "Let's stay and prove our commitment to this alliance" are both believable reactions from what I've seen of real life. It's unfortunate they chose the former instead of the latter. But they *should* be more committed from now on.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Believable, but not if the Cylons are serious about wanting to be a part of the fleet. It's so so fucking short-sighted to RUN. And Roslin SHOULD HAVE POINTED THAT OUT. God. The frustration makes me capslocky.

[identity profile] stealth-rose.livejournal.com 2009-02-11 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
...logic? BSG dun need your steeking logic!
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
SILENCE. I likes my logics. *sulks*
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[identity profile] nicole-anell.livejournal.com 2009-02-12 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, because our human heroes would never (http://www.galacticabbs.com/gallery_images/1161626469/med_gallery_4836_68_57425.jpg), ever (http://www.galacticabbs.com/gallery_images/1161980861/med_gallery_4836_76_31226.jpg) cut and run and leave people behind for practical reasons when there was trouble. Ever. (http://www.galacticabbs.com/gallery_images/1161969571/med_gallery_4836_78_57510.jpg)

I'm actually surprised how many people are decrying the Cylons as uniformly evil for this. I thought it was a lame but completely understandable attitude. And I guess the part that stuck with me was that they DIDN'T leave.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-13 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, but the rest of the fleet aren't comprised of people who caused the death of billions. There is no level playing field, here.

In all honesty, if we'd been able to SEE the conversation where they decided to run, I would have been happier. I'm just... I'm disappointed that we get all of this backstory for why Gaeta mutinied, but nothing to give the Cylons shades of grey.