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really really fast Kara/Anders thought
as in, I'm not bothering to think about this much, just posting it now, so I don't foget, but--
ANYWAY. Recently, I've noticed a crop of "Is Kara good for Sam?" comments (in the recent wank, and before). And generally, I've ignored them, other than to think "fuck, yes". And to be weirded out by the reversal of gender their relationship tends to mess about with--
I've certainly covered the "Is Sam good for Kara?" side. At least. I think I have?
But, anyway. In short, yes, I think she is good for him. In the long run, she's good. In the short run, she's a bit messy and destructive.
Or, to put it how I just said randomly at someone:
I look at it, like, "Is Domino really good for Cable?" and then I'm like "Hell, no, but he still took over a small country and got himself almost-assassinated to get her to save his stupid ass and come back to him" and, well, then I no longer care.
Because at least Sam isn't setting Kara up as his pet assassin. And she hasn't made him cry yet (being dead doesn't count). Or break a table. If that happens, I'll start worrying.
And the thing is, if Sam went into their marriage, knowing she was damaged and the type to cheat, I still say that says some rather interesting things about him (and not in the "I'm a programmed Cylon" way), and his parents (BSG, never afraid to wreck your parents).
But--
And now I'm side-tracked, because I had the thought of, "what if Sam doesn't actually want a woman who's faithful to him?" Maybe he is just as self-destructive as Kara, in some respects. Maybe, on some level, he thinks he deserves it. After all, he survived Caprica (and New Caprica) and the desolation of the 12 colonies. Maybe there's some survivor's guilt there about how he shouldn't still be alive while his family and friends aren't.
Or maybe he was the playa that Kara supposedly is, and he left his own string of broken hearts across all 12 planets. And he thinks this is only justified.
Flipside is, maybe Sam doesn't want a woman who needs more from him than sex. Maybe he's afraid of being loved.
Of course, now he's a Cylon, and Kara is his one link to being human. Because if his wife can still love him, maybe he's a worthwhile creature. He's not going to delude himself into thinking he's human (what does make us human, Major?). (sidesidenote that no one will actually get: Maybe having sex with Kara is like drinking natural oil?)
Trucco said in that tiny little blurb that Sam's greatest fear is Kara discovering he's a Cylon. And that makes sense. Sam knows how she'll react to being manipulated by a Cylon. Badly.
But that's the test, see. If he can convince her he really does love her, then maybe, she'll love the wooden boy back and he'll be able to stay human. He needs her love and link to humanity to stay human himself, otherwise, what's it all been for?
Sam asked that, back in Crossroads. All the shit he'd been through and done--Sue-Shaun, the rest of the Bucs, his family, the colonies, Hillard, Duck, every suicide bomber that he helped get ready and didn't stop... All of that, and he's really a Cylon? How fucked-up is that? How much does he want to just walk away from it all and pretend it's not true?
And here's Kara, wigged-out, frustrated, taking her irritations out on him Kara, and--if he walks away, if he breaks the pattern, that's one more nail in the coffin of his 'humanity'.
I meant to say this a while back. I don't think Sam went to Kara for sex and discussion about them. I think he went there just to talk. She's the one who brought them up, she's the one who went the quickest route to cutting words. But he's the one who dared her to push all his buttons, and made her dare him verbally.
---and now I've had the random thought that Kara is Sam's link to redemption as a Cylon and Sam is Kara's link to redemption as a human. Which is. Y'know. Odd.
They both believe in Earth. They both believe in Kara's destiny, though Sam would probably balk at some of what she believes in that destiny. And Leoben believes in the both of them, though he is the master of half-truths and lies and there could still be a different purpose for them both.
Er. Somewhere back there, I was trying to answer the question of "is Kara Thrace good for Sam Anders". And I still say, "fuck, yes." If only because there really isn't any other woman who could get to him like she does.
ANYWAY. Recently, I've noticed a crop of "Is Kara good for Sam?" comments (in the recent wank, and before). And generally, I've ignored them, other than to think "fuck, yes". And to be weirded out by the reversal of gender their relationship tends to mess about with--
I've certainly covered the "Is Sam good for Kara?" side. At least. I think I have?
But, anyway. In short, yes, I think she is good for him. In the long run, she's good. In the short run, she's a bit messy and destructive.
Or, to put it how I just said randomly at someone:
I look at it, like, "Is Domino really good for Cable?" and then I'm like "Hell, no, but he still took over a small country and got himself almost-assassinated to get her to save his stupid ass and come back to him" and, well, then I no longer care.
Because at least Sam isn't setting Kara up as his pet assassin. And she hasn't made him cry yet (being dead doesn't count). Or break a table. If that happens, I'll start worrying.
And the thing is, if Sam went into their marriage, knowing she was damaged and the type to cheat, I still say that says some rather interesting things about him (and not in the "I'm a programmed Cylon" way), and his parents (BSG, never afraid to wreck your parents).
But--
And now I'm side-tracked, because I had the thought of, "what if Sam doesn't actually want a woman who's faithful to him?" Maybe he is just as self-destructive as Kara, in some respects. Maybe, on some level, he thinks he deserves it. After all, he survived Caprica (and New Caprica) and the desolation of the 12 colonies. Maybe there's some survivor's guilt there about how he shouldn't still be alive while his family and friends aren't.
Or maybe he was the playa that Kara supposedly is, and he left his own string of broken hearts across all 12 planets. And he thinks this is only justified.
Flipside is, maybe Sam doesn't want a woman who needs more from him than sex. Maybe he's afraid of being loved.
Of course, now he's a Cylon, and Kara is his one link to being human. Because if his wife can still love him, maybe he's a worthwhile creature. He's not going to delude himself into thinking he's human (what does make us human, Major?). (sidesidenote that no one will actually get: Maybe having sex with Kara is like drinking natural oil?)
Trucco said in that tiny little blurb that Sam's greatest fear is Kara discovering he's a Cylon. And that makes sense. Sam knows how she'll react to being manipulated by a Cylon. Badly.
But that's the test, see. If he can convince her he really does love her, then maybe, she'll love the wooden boy back and he'll be able to stay human. He needs her love and link to humanity to stay human himself, otherwise, what's it all been for?
Sam asked that, back in Crossroads. All the shit he'd been through and done--Sue-Shaun, the rest of the Bucs, his family, the colonies, Hillard, Duck, every suicide bomber that he helped get ready and didn't stop... All of that, and he's really a Cylon? How fucked-up is that? How much does he want to just walk away from it all and pretend it's not true?
And here's Kara, wigged-out, frustrated, taking her irritations out on him Kara, and--if he walks away, if he breaks the pattern, that's one more nail in the coffin of his 'humanity'.
I meant to say this a while back. I don't think Sam went to Kara for sex and discussion about them. I think he went there just to talk. She's the one who brought them up, she's the one who went the quickest route to cutting words. But he's the one who dared her to push all his buttons, and made her dare him verbally.
---and now I've had the random thought that Kara is Sam's link to redemption as a Cylon and Sam is Kara's link to redemption as a human. Which is. Y'know. Odd.
They both believe in Earth. They both believe in Kara's destiny, though Sam would probably balk at some of what she believes in that destiny. And Leoben believes in the both of them, though he is the master of half-truths and lies and there could still be a different purpose for them both.
Er. Somewhere back there, I was trying to answer the question of "is Kara Thrace good for Sam Anders". And I still say, "fuck, yes." If only because there really isn't any other woman who could get to him like she does.
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Ah, one of the more romantic things I've read in comics in recent years. It is an odd 20~ orwhatever years courtship, but it works.
(And, seriously, when he got her to joing x-force "the kids need you" "the kids don't know me. they knew a shapeshifter pretending to be me." "i need you." *inner megan, cable and dom*: "saaaaaaaaaaaaapppppp")
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I need you also tops my list of BEST THINGS EVER in comics.
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er. Pardon the capslockiness, there.
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Actually, I get wangstier about TV fandoms than I do comic. Possibly because there's nothing really current that I'm reading. Possibly because, welll... One of my comic OTPs? DID NOT SPEAK IN CANON FOR TEN YEARS. I mean, ten of OUR years. It was probably only a month or two, Marveltime.
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Oh my god. No way do I have the patience for that. Heh, can you imagine BSG shippers of any stripe dealing with that kind of delayed gratification?
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But then they actually had a conversation (like, srsly, what is with all my otps talking all of a sudden?), and while they agreed they're just friends, um. HE STILL CALLS HER AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY and talks about painful, angsty-type things, and--
In my canon, she sometimes sneaks back over and they have angsty "we're really just friends, honest" sex which is, y'know, a lie.
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When I was heavily into comics, I was into Magneto shipping. Is that pathetic? I think I shipped him with everyone. (Especially after he got de-aged in one of those fun comicbook twists.)
The Sam/Kara meta is beautiful. absolutely beautiful.
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HAH. Oh, Mags. I wasn't a huge fan, because Kitty and Pete and Kurt kinda had my heart, but--I did like him. Moira MacTaggart is to blame! I think. Who knows.
Thaaaaankyou. ;]
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I look at it, like, "Is Domino really good for Cable?" and then I'm like "Hell, no, but he still took over a small country and got himself almost-assassinated to get her to save his stupid ass and come back to him" and, well, then I no longer care.
I love this analogy. <3
Maybe he is just as self-destructive as Kara, in some respects.
The whole idea of Sam going into marriage knowing Kara was damaged and would sleep around every once in a while seems like such a (hated!*g*) retcon to me. I'm pretty sure if they hadn't brought Trucco back -if they'd killed him in early season three or had him leave for good - their marriage would have continued to be portrayed as relatively uncomplicated and as happy as you could get on New Caprica. But then when they decided to keep Sam around they had to make it As Twisted As Possible. I can live with it, I just prefer not to. But OTOH, I like looking at it in terms of Sam's psychology. I always imagine him as having enjoyed all the benefits of being a pro-athlete. Not necessarily in a malicious way, because it's hard to imagine our Sam being malicious, but careless maybe? Or even just, if it was a habit for him to divorce sex from emotion, maybe that's why Kara's infidelity didn't bother him, as long as she stayed emotionally faithful. (Which, granted, is not how men usually operate, but, well, toaster. *g*)
He needs her love and link to humanity to stay human himself, otherwise, what's it all been for?
Yeah. He just needs someone to connect with, and right now, they're both outsiders, both potentially Cylons, but either way she's the person he knows best of anyone on Galactica. He needs her as much as she needs him.
Your "really really fast" thoughts are deep, man. ;)
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As do I. Of course, it helps that it's actual canon that Nate, y'know, is a dork and wanted her back and when being emo at her didn't work, he set up a plot to get himself assassinated, and-- so, no, Kara and Sam do not have the gold medal for dysfunction, there. ;]
Or even just, if it was a habit for him to divorce sex from emotion, maybe that's why Kara's infidelity didn't bother him, as long as she stayed emotionally faithful.
That works for me, too--especially in the part where my roommate was pointing out Sam was pissed at Lee because, dude, rules of the game? You don't get to keep her. --if I have to make anything work for me, at least. And I was going to add something else and have forgotten it. sigh.
He needs her as much as she needs him.
Yeah. Now, if she could just, y'know, show it a little more. *sulks*
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I guess I just don't care for the idea that Kara's an evil abuser, so we should find her a tougher boyfriend. I can't imagine making that argument if you flipped the genders: guy beats his girlfriend, so find him a feistier one? And they all want her and Lee to have kids too: will those kids be able to "stand up to her," they way they think Lee will be able to? Eh. I don't see Kara quite that negatively, but I obviously grant she has some serious issues and is far from the ideal girlfriend, to say the least. But it's just not realistic to make those issues about which boy she's with, rather than about her.
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except, y'know, when he doesor let her go be with her true loveexcept that one time when she gave his dogtags back. So of course Kara is the abusive one there.*snorts*
That entire interpretation of their relationship is insulting to both of them, really.
Lemme get you the Sam/Jack shipper list. It's FULL of people who loathe Sam Carter, yet 'ship the pairing into the ground, 'cause they pretend they're Sam so they can jump Jack.
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at... to...I meant, to my house (for dinner). *geez*no subject