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BSG meta: stereotypical female plotlines, aisle four!
um. Wow. This came out longer than I thought. (five PAGES long, in fact)
Just for the record, I do actually love and adore the women (and men) of Galactica. That doesn't mean I don't have some critical thoughts on the writing and the plots chosen for them...
Spoilers through season three, spec for season four, and a dip at Razor.
I cut this, from my NCIS review, because I didn't think shoving it in there would be kind to people who don't watch BSG:
Whether this trend continues, I don't know. But it's certainly better than BSG claiming it has gender equality in its characters and then shoving all of the women into mother/nurturer/healer roles while the men fight the war.
The trend I was talking about was the equality of characters. Regardless of gender, NCIS doesn't pull punches, doesn't under-write its women, and doesn't shove them all into one little tiny box. Actually, if you want a character that's shoved in a box labeled 'sexist stereotype', please look no further than Tony.
BSG doesn't pull its punches, either. Women are raped, beaten, wives, mothers, daughters, sisters, healers, priests, devotees, and pilots. Sometimes, they're leaders.
I'm not sure, though, that BSG is really doing a good job keeping those women in equal situations.
Women have been raped--Gina, Athena nearly, and I'd argue that Leoben's psychological torture of Kara certainly counts.
Men have not been. Sure, men get beaten, shot, kicked, maimed (eyes ripped from their skulls), tortured (Leoben, and at least a few of the colonists via Dirty Hands), given truth serums and had things shoved in their ears. But they don't get raped. In fact, to even suggest that a man might be raped sent fandom into a massive backlashy tizzy however many years and months ago that it was that Resurrection Ship first aired.
Fandom thought Helo and Chief were actually gonna get raped.
Luckily for fandom's peace of mind, they didn't.
How about their destinies?
Roslin's going to get breast cancer, and lead them to a new world.
Kara's special destiny means she has to accept that being beaten as a child was a good thing, she can't decide between the two men in her life, and now that she's back, she's some zen-like priestess who's too pure for things like sex or flying. Not to mention, when she was in a cell with a cylon, he gouged out her eye--oh, wait. That's right. Actually, he tortured her with a kid. And when they caught her on Caprica? She was stuck in a farm, where they stick babies in women...
According to interviews and podcasts, there's men in the farms, too. I imagine the budget wouldn't stretch to having Kara walk through a room of men being milked (but they sure didn't mind giving us heavy raider footage, or giving us a crowd of extras at Delphi Union High--I guess, though, they really shot their budget shooting Valley of Darkness, with the dark-lit Cylons storming the Galactica scenes). This fact is never mentioned on-screen (if it has been, someone please quote me chapter and verse so I can go watch it). They didn't take ANY of the men with Anders and Helo, they just took Sue-Shaun and Kara.
Cally. Entirely problematic, because while I find her and Chief utterly adorable, the idea that it was ok for Galen to beat her 'cause she loves him is...
Honestly, I take from Cally and Kara that women are forgiving, and you can do whatever you want to them, 'cause they'll forgive you and take you back (ref: Anastasia Dualla, who cried, even though Lee lost his frakking ring).
This is not to say forgiveness is a one-way street. Adama forgave Kara for killing his son, and Roslin for splintering the fleet.
Sam Anders forgives his wife her many indiscretions (although only one of them ever made it on-screen, which brings that entire chain into question. Though, one wonders if he'd be so forgiving if she weren't in love with the man she's playing with).
Saul Tigh continues to forgive his wife anything up to and including colluding with the Cylons.
And there's a question. Where's the corollary of Ellen Tigh, selling her body to save her husband? Oh, right. That would be Tyrol, getting info and leading a strike to save his wife.
...yeah. Not seeing that as really sacrificing much. I suppose one could say Lee Adama sacrificed his dignity to save Baltar from execution?
Kat - actually, Kat is probably an argument for the side of equality, since her situation is pretty gender-neutral. And you can't tell me a guy wouldn't have offered sex for silence.
Not to mention, Kat's interactions with Kara are one of the few bits that ring as totally gender-neutral. They could be guys, they could be girls. Doesn't matter--similarly, Tigh and Kara are exactly the same. In fact, Kara and Tigh oddly trust each other, despite the fact that Tigh's NewCap life was violent and Kara's was psychologically unsound.
Although, that is kind of my point. Kara got the fluffy gloves, a kid, and a loving Destiny. Tigh got his eye ripped out, was beaten and taunted, and in the end lost his wife.
For every one of Kara's plot-points, the plot has always been the sort that are considered suitable for a female. The Farm, babies, Tomboy who cleans up good (just once, I'd like a girl to be a tomboy and clean up and look utterly AWFUL in her dress), religion, marriage, love.
Athena was put into play specifically to get Helo to love her and have a baby.
Boomer was put into play to... try to kill herself, cause Chief to lie for her, kill Adama and be shot by Cally. So, three out of three ain't too bad. Boomer could'a been a boy. Except for Chief, I suppose, and Cally's jealousy of her?
Racetrack and Seelix and Jean Barolay are too bit to be needed for the big Feminine Mystique ideas. Racetrack finds NewCap, Seelix shoots a Cavil and becomes a pilot, and Barolay just shoots things and snarks. Two of them were also on the Circle, as was Kara. Off-set by Anders, Chief and Tigh.
And surprisingly, it was Barolay and Seelix and Kara who were the hard asses, wanting death.
Speaking of Kara's destiny, how about Roslin's cancer? It's specifically breast cancer. edit:Not something a man can get. Apparently, something a man can get, though this information still hasn't really reached the populace at large. Largely still considered a 'woman's disease'--I imagine if I were to poll 100 people on the street, less than 10% would actually know men can get it. Can you imagine if she'd been male, do you think they would have made it prostate cancer? Yeah, no, I don't fucking think so, either.
So why make it breast cancer? Oh. Right. Because she's a woman, and it has to be a special kind of womanly cancer to get the message across.
Roslin spent most of season three hating Baltar and... and... getting cancer again. Um. While I won't deny the men have been full of hate (please see my boy Sparky with his pen to Baltar's throat), it's kind of sad when the only thing I can think of for season three of Roslin is hatred of a man. Oh, and hitting Tigh for the suicide bombers. She was part of the resistance, and Baltar locked her up and talked to her, at one point.
Ellen Tigh. Had sex to save her man. Also lived her life to the fullest and knew she was loved, so that's at least nice.
Mrs. Adama. Oh, wow. Mrs. Caroline Anne Adama. She was abusive, manipulative, alcoholic... Bill married Kara's mother, essentially. She got pregnant and made Bill marry her, in fact. Although he later used her connections to get back in the fleet. And he still loves her. How quaint. (there's that forgiveness from men for the foibles of their horrible, abusing wives again--wanna bet Kara's daddy was Sam Anders mixed with Bill Adama?)
Elosha. Priestess, who found her faith 'cause Roslin had cancer and led them to Kobol. Died.
Sarah. Leader of the Geminon, which is a bit of a surprise, given they seem to view women as second-class citizens who have no rights to their own bodies. Very religious.
Dee. Poor Dee. She's faithful, trustworthy, snarky (wait, that's comic!Dee, who is twenty kinds of verbal bitchslap awesome. sigh.), and juggles men. Then she has one die, and marries the other because... there's a deleted scene, where Dee says she'll keep Lee until Kara takes him back from her. Wow. Um. Wow.
But Dee loves Lee, y'know. It's just...
And here we stop and ponder Lee, because, really. It has to be said. Dee loves Lee so much, Lee gets fat. You could claim this was a female thing. Women get fat when they're stressed/nervous/depressed/complacent. But so do men. And Lee didn't get fat from stress. Lee got fat because his One True Love didn't marry him. So, there's some technical grey area in whether this is a male plot or a female plot. Not that it really matters. The men have both kinds, as a general rule.
D'Anna. Oh, D. After Caprica, you really are the most screwed-up Cylon ever.
D, at least, gets a plot that could be applied to men or women (even down to the wacky torture and threesome action). She likes killing herself, 'cause she's seen the face of God. Or... Something.
Of course, this all happens, because she was told that if she held Hera (that ol' Hybrid Child), she'd know Love.
(babies again)
Maya, at least, there's no bones about the fact she was there to simply be a Mom. And I can't blame her for that (nor them for offing her, since Jo Lupo is much much hotter).
But Roslin loves Hera, too. Of course, men are allowed to be protective of their children (Helo, Adama, Chief). But none of them seem to be quite so obsessive about them (first, she tries to kill Hera, then she steals her and lies...sigh)
Caprica destroyed the world for the love of a man. She tried to save it for him, too. And now she's stuck in a sort of limbo... (she stole Hera, too)
Since we're back to the Cylons, I should probably note that Boomer has also pretty much been given nothing to do. She tried to kill Adama, betrayed her friends, saved the human race and moved to NewCap where... what? She got an education in the fact that humans don't forgive? We never saw this. The most we saw was her talking to Cally, and that conversation would NEVER have gone well.
Girls don't forgive each other, you see.
Tangent: religion.
D, Caprica, Sharon (both), Roslin, Elosha, Kara, Sarah, Cally, Norah (Duck's girlfriend whose only purpose was to maybe get pregnant and then die so he could be angsty)... all of these women are highly religious. Their belief shapes everything they do.
Of the male characters? I can't think of a single one (outside of Leoben and Simon) who's so religious. Adama, Lee, Cavil, Cottle... all pretty much atheists.
We have no idea if Sam Anders is religious, though he has prayed to the Gods, thanking them for Kara being alive. Hot Dog... Well, he got the funny syphillis, so he might be religious.
Chief is religious now, though he grew up in it. He's (probably) shaped by religion.
Helo seems to at least maybe believe.
Zarek will believe, if it gets him ahead of the game.
Duck was, iirc, agnostic leaning towards atheist (he refused to go to the temple with Norah).
I wish I could say the religious thing was like girls having wings in The Dark Crystal. Sadly, it's not.
Instead, it mostly feels like: to be a spiritual being, one must be a woman or completely off one's rocker (ie, Leoben). Men are rationalists. Women follow their 'feelings'.
Off the religion tangent...
Ishay. Bit-part, has mostly been a no-nonsense medic. One for the side of equality.
Sacia Abinell. Wife turned terrorist because the Cylons killed her husband and she found out Sharon was on Galactica, alive. Her motive: revenge for her hubby's death.
Playa Palacious. Journalist. Frakked Baltar. Occasionally asked The Hard Questions.
Cain. Until the rumors for Razor, Cain really did fit the 'could be male or female' side. Now, though. Sigh. I'll leave her in a 'unknown' state until Razor airs. As another aside: Roslin pointing out they needed to kill Cain was definitely on the side of both awesome AND equality.
Ditto Kendra Shaw.
Showboat. Two seconds of screen-time.
Baltar's cult all seem to be women. 'cause, again, only women are crazy religious freaks.
Gina. Do I even need to elaborate? Fine. Raped, tortured, kept by Baltar. His love brought her back to life. Deeply religious, believed the Cylons would save them. To say 'goodbye' to Baltar, she had sex with him (I've heard, btw, that they were originally planning on having Gina perfectly AOK with sex, and Tricia pointed out that would be utterly and completely impossible, given she was raped. So. Although, generally, fandom does think sex will heal everything, as long as it's the OTP). Killed herself to leave a message for the Cylons.
What's funny is that I've gotten off my topic. To whit: season three (and to a lesser extent, the earlier seasons) reduce most of the women to stereotypical Girl roles.
The women were locked in cute cells and cages, taught school and played with babies while the men did manly things like blow up heavy raiders, throw pyramid balls and chase around with guns. Not to mention dropping battlestars through atmosphere at high velocity.
And while the suicide-bombers were, iirc, equally-divided between men and women, we knew way more about Duck than we did about the faceless woman who was caught for two seconds, and nothing about any of the others.
Hell, I should have remembered: this show really is only about surviving and making babies. And since men can't get pregnant, no wonder the women are stuck in stereotypical roles.
In closing, I would like to propose a challenge. Write fic where Saul sells his body to get Ellen out, where Sam is locked in a cage and told he has a Special Destiny. Where Helo and Chief were raped by the Pegasus crew as Cylon sympathizers. Where the Leader of Humanity is a man dying from prostate cancer. Where it's the men, and not the women, who care for the children of humanity, who make the irrational, emotion-filled decisions.
But don't fucking tell me Galactica has made such great strides at breaking stereotypes for female characters.
PS. For the record, the BSG comic by Greg Pak had one scene that I will treasure forever: new!Boomer is stuck in the cliche "person pops up and evil!leaderguy decides new person is fresh meat and wants them", she kicks the ass of the men and women trying to take her, and turns to take on e!lg. El!g turns to a subordinate and swears mightily, saying "a colonial officer is gonna frak my shit up" (or words to that effect). He doesn't say "damn, that bitch is coming after me" or "a woman is trying to get me", he says "That Colonial officer..." He saw her as a colonial officer first, and a woman, second.
Greg Pak got it. The man who did horrible things to Jean Grey got the 'equality of the sexes' BSG attempts (and fails miserably at) to preach.
Just for the record, I do actually love and adore the women (and men) of Galactica. That doesn't mean I don't have some critical thoughts on the writing and the plots chosen for them...
Spoilers through season three, spec for season four, and a dip at Razor.
I cut this, from my NCIS review, because I didn't think shoving it in there would be kind to people who don't watch BSG:
Whether this trend continues, I don't know. But it's certainly better than BSG claiming it has gender equality in its characters and then shoving all of the women into mother/nurturer/healer roles while the men fight the war.
The trend I was talking about was the equality of characters. Regardless of gender, NCIS doesn't pull punches, doesn't under-write its women, and doesn't shove them all into one little tiny box. Actually, if you want a character that's shoved in a box labeled 'sexist stereotype', please look no further than Tony.
BSG doesn't pull its punches, either. Women are raped, beaten, wives, mothers, daughters, sisters, healers, priests, devotees, and pilots. Sometimes, they're leaders.
I'm not sure, though, that BSG is really doing a good job keeping those women in equal situations.
Women have been raped--Gina, Athena nearly, and I'd argue that Leoben's psychological torture of Kara certainly counts.
Men have not been. Sure, men get beaten, shot, kicked, maimed (eyes ripped from their skulls), tortured (Leoben, and at least a few of the colonists via Dirty Hands), given truth serums and had things shoved in their ears. But they don't get raped. In fact, to even suggest that a man might be raped sent fandom into a massive backlashy tizzy however many years and months ago that it was that Resurrection Ship first aired.
Fandom thought Helo and Chief were actually gonna get raped.
Luckily for fandom's peace of mind, they didn't.
How about their destinies?
Roslin's going to get breast cancer, and lead them to a new world.
Kara's special destiny means she has to accept that being beaten as a child was a good thing, she can't decide between the two men in her life, and now that she's back, she's some zen-like priestess who's too pure for things like sex or flying. Not to mention, when she was in a cell with a cylon, he gouged out her eye--oh, wait. That's right. Actually, he tortured her with a kid. And when they caught her on Caprica? She was stuck in a farm, where they stick babies in women...
According to interviews and podcasts, there's men in the farms, too. I imagine the budget wouldn't stretch to having Kara walk through a room of men being milked (but they sure didn't mind giving us heavy raider footage, or giving us a crowd of extras at Delphi Union High--I guess, though, they really shot their budget shooting Valley of Darkness, with the dark-lit Cylons storming the Galactica scenes). This fact is never mentioned on-screen (if it has been, someone please quote me chapter and verse so I can go watch it). They didn't take ANY of the men with Anders and Helo, they just took Sue-Shaun and Kara.
Cally. Entirely problematic, because while I find her and Chief utterly adorable, the idea that it was ok for Galen to beat her 'cause she loves him is...
Honestly, I take from Cally and Kara that women are forgiving, and you can do whatever you want to them, 'cause they'll forgive you and take you back (ref: Anastasia Dualla, who cried, even though Lee lost his frakking ring).
This is not to say forgiveness is a one-way street. Adama forgave Kara for killing his son, and Roslin for splintering the fleet.
Sam Anders forgives his wife her many indiscretions (although only one of them ever made it on-screen, which brings that entire chain into question. Though, one wonders if he'd be so forgiving if she weren't in love with the man she's playing with).
Saul Tigh continues to forgive his wife anything up to and including colluding with the Cylons.
And there's a question. Where's the corollary of Ellen Tigh, selling her body to save her husband? Oh, right. That would be Tyrol, getting info and leading a strike to save his wife.
...yeah. Not seeing that as really sacrificing much. I suppose one could say Lee Adama sacrificed his dignity to save Baltar from execution?
Kat - actually, Kat is probably an argument for the side of equality, since her situation is pretty gender-neutral. And you can't tell me a guy wouldn't have offered sex for silence.
Not to mention, Kat's interactions with Kara are one of the few bits that ring as totally gender-neutral. They could be guys, they could be girls. Doesn't matter--similarly, Tigh and Kara are exactly the same. In fact, Kara and Tigh oddly trust each other, despite the fact that Tigh's NewCap life was violent and Kara's was psychologically unsound.
Although, that is kind of my point. Kara got the fluffy gloves, a kid, and a loving Destiny. Tigh got his eye ripped out, was beaten and taunted, and in the end lost his wife.
For every one of Kara's plot-points, the plot has always been the sort that are considered suitable for a female. The Farm, babies, Tomboy who cleans up good (just once, I'd like a girl to be a tomboy and clean up and look utterly AWFUL in her dress), religion, marriage, love.
Athena was put into play specifically to get Helo to love her and have a baby.
Boomer was put into play to... try to kill herself, cause Chief to lie for her, kill Adama and be shot by Cally. So, three out of three ain't too bad. Boomer could'a been a boy. Except for Chief, I suppose, and Cally's jealousy of her?
Racetrack and Seelix and Jean Barolay are too bit to be needed for the big Feminine Mystique ideas. Racetrack finds NewCap, Seelix shoots a Cavil and becomes a pilot, and Barolay just shoots things and snarks. Two of them were also on the Circle, as was Kara. Off-set by Anders, Chief and Tigh.
And surprisingly, it was Barolay and Seelix and Kara who were the hard asses, wanting death.
Speaking of Kara's destiny, how about Roslin's cancer? It's specifically breast cancer. edit:
So why make it breast cancer? Oh. Right. Because she's a woman, and it has to be a special kind of womanly cancer to get the message across.
Roslin spent most of season three hating Baltar and... and... getting cancer again. Um. While I won't deny the men have been full of hate (please see my boy Sparky with his pen to Baltar's throat), it's kind of sad when the only thing I can think of for season three of Roslin is hatred of a man. Oh, and hitting Tigh for the suicide bombers. She was part of the resistance, and Baltar locked her up and talked to her, at one point.
Ellen Tigh. Had sex to save her man. Also lived her life to the fullest and knew she was loved, so that's at least nice.
Mrs. Adama. Oh, wow. Mrs. Carol
Elosha. Priestess, who found her faith 'cause Roslin had cancer and led them to Kobol. Died.
Sarah. Leader of the Geminon, which is a bit of a surprise, given they seem to view women as second-class citizens who have no rights to their own bodies. Very religious.
Dee. Poor Dee. She's faithful, trustworthy, snarky (wait, that's comic!Dee, who is twenty kinds of verbal bitchslap awesome. sigh.), and juggles men. Then she has one die, and marries the other because... there's a deleted scene, where Dee says she'll keep Lee until Kara takes him back from her. Wow. Um. Wow.
But Dee loves Lee, y'know. It's just...
And here we stop and ponder Lee, because, really. It has to be said. Dee loves Lee so much, Lee gets fat. You could claim this was a female thing. Women get fat when they're stressed/nervous/depressed/complacent. But so do men. And Lee didn't get fat from stress. Lee got fat because his One True Love didn't marry him. So, there's some technical grey area in whether this is a male plot or a female plot. Not that it really matters. The men have both kinds, as a general rule.
D'Anna. Oh, D. After Caprica, you really are the most screwed-up Cylon ever.
D, at least, gets a plot that could be applied to men or women (even down to the wacky torture and threesome action). She likes killing herself, 'cause she's seen the face of God. Or... Something.
Of course, this all happens, because she was told that if she held Hera (that ol' Hybrid Child), she'd know Love.
(babies again)
Maya, at least, there's no bones about the fact she was there to simply be a Mom. And I can't blame her for that (nor them for offing her, since Jo Lupo is much much hotter).
But Roslin loves Hera, too. Of course, men are allowed to be protective of their children (Helo, Adama, Chief). But none of them seem to be quite so obsessive about them (first, she tries to kill Hera, then she steals her and lies...sigh)
Caprica destroyed the world for the love of a man. She tried to save it for him, too. And now she's stuck in a sort of limbo... (she stole Hera, too)
Since we're back to the Cylons, I should probably note that Boomer has also pretty much been given nothing to do. She tried to kill Adama, betrayed her friends, saved the human race and moved to NewCap where... what? She got an education in the fact that humans don't forgive? We never saw this. The most we saw was her talking to Cally, and that conversation would NEVER have gone well.
Girls don't forgive each other, you see.
Tangent: religion.
D, Caprica, Sharon (both), Roslin, Elosha, Kara, Sarah, Cally, Norah (Duck's girlfriend whose only purpose was to maybe get pregnant and then die so he could be angsty)... all of these women are highly religious. Their belief shapes everything they do.
Of the male characters? I can't think of a single one (outside of Leoben and Simon) who's so religious. Adama, Lee, Cavil, Cottle... all pretty much atheists.
We have no idea if Sam Anders is religious, though he has prayed to the Gods, thanking them for Kara being alive. Hot Dog... Well, he got the funny syphillis, so he might be religious.
Chief is religious now, though he grew up in it. He's (probably) shaped by religion.
Helo seems to at least maybe believe.
Zarek will believe, if it gets him ahead of the game.
Duck was, iirc, agnostic leaning towards atheist (he refused to go to the temple with Norah).
I wish I could say the religious thing was like girls having wings in The Dark Crystal. Sadly, it's not.
Instead, it mostly feels like: to be a spiritual being, one must be a woman or completely off one's rocker (ie, Leoben). Men are rationalists. Women follow their 'feelings'.
Off the religion tangent...
Ishay. Bit-part, has mostly been a no-nonsense medic. One for the side of equality.
Sacia Abinell. Wife turned terrorist because the Cylons killed her husband and she found out Sharon was on Galactica, alive. Her motive: revenge for her hubby's death.
Playa Palacious. Journalist. Frakked Baltar. Occasionally asked The Hard Questions.
Cain. Until the rumors for Razor, Cain really did fit the 'could be male or female' side. Now, though. Sigh. I'll leave her in a 'unknown' state until Razor airs. As another aside: Roslin pointing out they needed to kill Cain was definitely on the side of both awesome AND equality.
Ditto Kendra Shaw.
Showboat. Two seconds of screen-time.
Baltar's cult all seem to be women. 'cause, again, only women are crazy religious freaks.
Gina. Do I even need to elaborate? Fine. Raped, tortured, kept by Baltar. His love brought her back to life. Deeply religious, believed the Cylons would save them. To say 'goodbye' to Baltar, she had sex with him (I've heard, btw, that they were originally planning on having Gina perfectly AOK with sex, and Tricia pointed out that would be utterly and completely impossible, given she was raped. So. Although, generally, fandom does think sex will heal everything, as long as it's the OTP). Killed herself to leave a message for the Cylons.
What's funny is that I've gotten off my topic. To whit: season three (and to a lesser extent, the earlier seasons) reduce most of the women to stereotypical Girl roles.
The women were locked in cute cells and cages, taught school and played with babies while the men did manly things like blow up heavy raiders, throw pyramid balls and chase around with guns. Not to mention dropping battlestars through atmosphere at high velocity.
And while the suicide-bombers were, iirc, equally-divided between men and women, we knew way more about Duck than we did about the faceless woman who was caught for two seconds, and nothing about any of the others.
Hell, I should have remembered: this show really is only about surviving and making babies. And since men can't get pregnant, no wonder the women are stuck in stereotypical roles.
In closing, I would like to propose a challenge. Write fic where Saul sells his body to get Ellen out, where Sam is locked in a cage and told he has a Special Destiny. Where Helo and Chief were raped by the Pegasus crew as Cylon sympathizers. Where the Leader of Humanity is a man dying from prostate cancer. Where it's the men, and not the women, who care for the children of humanity, who make the irrational, emotion-filled decisions.
But don't fucking tell me Galactica has made such great strides at breaking stereotypes for female characters.
PS. For the record, the BSG comic by Greg Pak had one scene that I will treasure forever: new!Boomer is stuck in the cliche "person pops up and evil!leaderguy decides new person is fresh meat and wants them", she kicks the ass of the men and women trying to take her, and turns to take on e!lg. El!g turns to a subordinate and swears mightily, saying "a colonial officer is gonna frak my shit up" (or words to that effect). He doesn't say "damn, that bitch is coming after me" or "a woman is trying to get me", he says "That Colonial officer..." He saw her as a colonial officer first, and a woman, second.
Greg Pak got it. The man who did horrible things to Jean Grey got the 'equality of the sexes' BSG attempts (and fails miserably at) to preach.
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Plus, like I said - it's not, the word should be out about that, and a death from cancer is no fun whatsoever. Breast cancer is one of the most curable cancers out there - if they catch it early enough.