lyssie: (cyberman zomgwtf)
lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2007-02-25 06:30 pm

So, anyway.... Comicfangirls

The other night, my rooommate was bitching about the lack of actual, comics-related discussion on [livejournal.com profile] comicfangirls. So, me, being the generous, accomodating roommate I am, cleaned up my BSG and Atlantis reviews, tacked on some stuff about PHD, and posted.

I am now regretting having posted. And not, as some might thing, because of my lack of replies.

No, I'm regretting having posted, because it means that when I noticed, in skimming to see if there were other comics-related discussions, I discovered that someone had posted a questionnaire to the community, asking such things as, "Have you lost your virginity?" and "Are you over- or under- weight?" ... Now, I assumed, from the replies, that [livejournal.com profile] comicfangirls, being the bastion of Feminisim that it is, would reply with mockery and trolling, and possibly a lot of, "what relevance does this have?"

This is, after all, the community that was up in arms over the treatment of women in Sin City (they might have been fetishized, but at least they didn't roll over and give up personal information to some unknown guy on the internet).

Imagine my surprise when every. single. reply. was from some girl telling this guy all of the information he asked. There was no questioning, there was no mockery, there were no cries for the mods to delete this wholly inappropriate post. Not only that, the post got linked on metafandom, and women from THERE answered the questions.

And here's where I say, I wish I hadn't posted the other night.

Because I posted a general message to the community, barely restraining myself from calling them sheep. Sadly, I'm sure they all think I'm just having a fit because no one replied to me.

Which, no, I'm having a fit, 'cause you're all fucking sheep, and pretty much proving that girls as comic fans? Are not smart, and thus, the companies are still going to ignore us.

[identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I saw that thing and just kind of rolled my eyes about it. I can't believe people answered -- I did think a few of them were taking him to task, but still.

[identity profile] redstarrobot.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Just so [livejournal.com profile] nique knows, it's not too late to do a little modly smackdown on community content. Ain't no time limit on that.

[identity profile] jim-smith.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, Timey's the moderator of a community that's pissing her off? And it's not on fire yet?
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[identity profile] nique.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Technically, I don't own the place, I'm just the last person in charge who's paying attention.
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[identity profile] nique.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Post was made the 20th. Anything I do now is closing the barn door after the cows have escaped. I informed the guy that had I seen his post when he made it, he would have been told to edit out the questions which were in poor taste, and I'm trying to garner some positive discussion on the list, but that's about all I can do with it at this point. Deleting it would just cause wank, I'm sure.

(Anonymous) 2007-02-26 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
I thought my response was mocking. Since other people were sharing information with one another, I answered the questions I thought were worthy, and snarked the others. Unless you think virginty being boarded and bagged is a serious reply. I guess one woman's snark is another woman's fucking sheep.
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[identity profile] nenena.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
Hi, here via WFA. Also: Baaaaaaaaaa. I answered the survey. Oh noes! I must be a mindless moron.

I thought that the explanation in the post was pretty clear. The survey was about stereotypes and an open challenge for people to speak up about how they don't fit the stereotypes. And as for giving out my "personal information" (on noes, my age and my virginity status!), meh. That's my choice.

It was a survey about demographics. Surveys about demographics are going to ask questions that, if a stranger approached you and asked you IRL, would be considered creepy and intrusive. But a survey is different. You don't have to take the survey, and even if you do, the poster clearly said that you were free to not answer, or to challenge, any questions.

Personally, I thought that it was interesting to see everybody's different answers. If anything, I think that the answers disproved the stereotypes embedded in the questions. And that was the point.

[identity profile] sardonyx.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
Hope it's okay to post in your LJ (found it via WFA as well!)

I read your post about being upset about the lack of discussion there and everyone answering that guy's post. I am not part of the comicfangirl community. I joined it a long time ago, it was quiet so I left it. I find it hard to discuss comics with people because I like to read older stuff that no one is really into. I did find that survey kinda fun though and ended up submitting a response just now. Hehe. I ignored the questions that I didn't really want to answer but the rest kinda made me think about my history with comics. I am imagining that this guy was probably can't get his head around why girls would be into comics. There does tend to be a stereotype about what a typical female comic reader. You know, "goth girls who read Sandman and Fables and Lenore" oooor "the nerdy girl with zits that noone wanted to date". It was interesting to read the other girls' answers. Yeah I admit though, he was rather retarded to include the inappropriate questions but they were easily ignorable. He did succeed in making me remember why I like reading comics aaand that I really should bag and board the other half of my collection ;)

[identity profile] sardonyx.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
oh and also, your sheep post probably will get some people thinking "oh yeah, this community is rather dead, we should talk more." hehe

I also generally avoid these kinds of communities coz alot of people forget how to use spoiler tags. grrr

[identity profile] sardonyx.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
aand one more thing, I love your lj icon!! Cybermen used to scare the fuck out of me when i was a kid!

[identity profile] iamza.livejournal.com 2007-02-26 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I found the survey diverting, and the reponses from other respondents interesting for the most part. Also, for the first time since I began watching the community some years ago, I got an idea of who else was reading and watching the community. That in itself was interesting for me.

[identity profile] samgrrrl.livejournal.com 2007-02-28 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'd like to point you to something a friend of mine wrote about women who read comics: http://myriadissues.blogspot.com/2007/02/nycc-women-girls-and-minxes.html
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-02-28 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Which is amusing, because I'd rather have Zealot in all her double-d, lack of pants, bad-ass gloriousness than a 'comic for women'.