lyssie: (Anders sweet)
lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2007-01-23 07:20 pm

Meta: Sam 'not quite machiavelli' Anders

Spoilers for Rapture and speculation for the next episode.

So, according to the preview, Kara tells Sam she loves Lee, and Sam tells her to go to Lee, and she does.

Why would Sam do that?

1. He loves Kara, and figures if Lee makes her happy, yay.
2. He figures she'll get Lee out of her system.
3. He, being the people person he is, now gets Lee. And pretty much is gambling that Lee will send Kara back to him.

1 and 2, I'm ignoring.

It's 3 I'm interested in.

We know Sam reads people--EoJ, he saw the uncertainty in the crowd and he reached out and took them into the palm of his hand, and made them work for him. He's good on a one-on-one basis, too. Witness his easy manipulation of Kara.

Sam knows Lee, now. He's watched him lead people, watched him yell and scream and argue. He knows that Lee loves his wife. And that Lee loves Kara. And that Lee, for whatever reason, has some sort of honor--and now has doubt about Kara and her intentions. Doubt that Sam himself planted.

Because Lee knows he's not the first for Kara cheating on Sam--and whether it's true or not, it's not exactly something Sam can go and take back.

Not that he wants to.

Sam also, I think, knows that Lee wants Kara for more than just a short time.

He sends Kara to Lee.

Whether Kara tells him Sam sent her or not, Lee's doubt will be there. He can either have Kara until she gets bored with him, or he can tell her no, and stay with his wife (who he does love, though he's being an ass). And I think Lee is going to choose the latter option. Because, as I said, he wants Kara forever--that was the whole crux of him telling Kara to break off her thing with Sam in UB.

Sam is counting on Lee going for that option.

So, he'll get Kara back. A Kara rejected by Lee. He won't, I don't think, take advantage of that. He'll simply be there for her.

At least he didn't take over a third-world country, manipulate events, and let himself get shot just to get her back. But he is obviously learning at the Cable School of Manipulating Your S.O.

(this is all speculation, and possibly, sarcasm)

[identity profile] centerspire.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
You're listening to 40 miles from the sun!

Dear RDM,

Please have read lyssie's mind. Because that shit is HOT. And please with the real reunion sex.

Kthxbi, kelly

[identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. I read your title and thought, WTF? Then I read your 3 options and thought, ah, yes, now I understand. 1&2 aren't even really options.

Can I have a Helo AND a Sam, please?
ext_18106: (Kara Anders gonna hurt)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I was, indeed. Because I love that song, and it's so... ScottCableAndersCrichton... sigh.

Ron could be listening. It's sometimes hard to tell. But he got he bit with Caprica as a prisoner on Galactica, so we'll see.
ext_18106: (Anders sweet)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
If there's clones, we all get one. *hopes*

*laughs* They are and... they aren't. I honestly am having trouble wrapping my brain around Sam telling her to go to Lee as it IS. And this... is about the only way it makes sense. Well, that, and the, "she always comes back to him in the end" thing.

[identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
It's kinda like when he gave her the dog tags back. I'm not sure he really thought she'd take them and leave.

[identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
And have I mentioned how much I FRAKKING HATE DETEST skiffy's promos?
ext_18106: (Kara Anders Still Frakking)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
I. Just. See, now that's vaguely depressing. OH SAM. *sniffles* Damnit, that's worse than "We don't say goodbyes." "We do, this time."

I hate Skiffy's promos with a passion. Only Ron gets more hate.

[identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Aw. But see, Sam adapts. He knows better now, so if he tells her to go to Lee, then dammit, he has a plan. Unlike Ron. Sam has a plan. And it involves him and Kara and the rest of their lives, even if that isn't all hearts and puppies, 'cause he and Kara wouldn't be at all happy with hearts and puppies. Not unless there were firearms and explosives involved.

And you know what? P!nk = Starbuck. Dammit, I want to vid this whole CD.
ext_18106: (kara anders porn happens)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
Unlike Ron. Sam has a plan. This is for true! If there were a Gospel of BSG, this would be, like, the Third Platitude, or something. (Following "Dad is Always Right" and "Sometimes, Mom is Dumb".... "Helo loves Sharon" is number four)

Lots of explosions. *happysigh*

*laughs* She kind of does, although she's also very emo-like, and thus, somewhat Courtney Love-ish.

[identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
*nods*

And Jake is the Cylon god. They just spelled it wrong.

Dammit. I need a Jake icon.
ext_18106: (Ardra - devil made me do it)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Hah. Talkie Toaster is the true Cylon god! He is here to bring peace, prosperity, and bread products for all!

[identity profile] centerspire.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Have I every thanked you for sharing that song? Because I love it too!
ext_18106: (Kara Anders gonna hurt)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
*laughs* You're welcome!

[identity profile] samanthamarie88.livejournal.com 2007-01-24 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Screw the Cylon plan. It's all about Sam's plan.

Aside from any cheating that she might do with anonymous people, Lee knows that she still loves Sam (the look on his face when Sam/Kara were clinging to each other at the end of Rapture), so he'll never have her completely. If she's willing to cheat on Sam with him, what's going to stop her from cheating on him with Sam. Because. She. Always. Goes. Back. To. Sam.

IIRC, at the end of Rapture, Lee is the one who looked away from the longing gaze with Kara first. He closed his eyes and sank into Dee. Hopefully, that foreshadows Lee closing the door with Kara and actually trying to make his marriage with Dee work.



ext_18106: (Anders Days so far from home)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Dude. I kind of want to know what Sam was saying--or if Kara just naturally gets all teary when she hugs her husband. 'cause, staring at these screencaps, she's practically crying...

I can hope. If Ron listens.

[identity profile] samanthamarie88.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
There better have been an I love you in there somewhere, because dammit she almost died. And of course a bit of mocking because that's what they do.
ext_18106: (kara anders porn happens)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
*points at picspam* She says he needs a shower.

Also. If Sam didn't say "I love you" I'll hit him. sigh. Argh.

[identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com 2007-01-29 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
i got nothing deeper and more intelligent than...

*nods happily*
ext_18106: (kara anders porn happens)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-29 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
*laughs*

I'm still disturbed that I called it...

[identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com 2007-01-29 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
it's totally logical, dude.

and it's funny, at least to me, because that's how i was arguing that Sam was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when we first saw him....that he took her at face value and loved her anyway.

i especially love your points about Lee with regards to Kara and how that contrasts with Sam as regards to her, because it sooooooo explains why Lee goes to Dee and essentially begs for his marriage, and means it.
ext_18106: (Jo Obsession)

[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2007-01-30 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
*laughs* The Sam Anders love was hard to find a year and a half ago. 99% of the discussion of him included, "He's boring, bland, and I hope he dies".

Until he started blowing shit up in Occupation, that is.

Now, it's more like 50% want him dead, 25% really don't care either way, and 23% think he's fabulous while 2% still think he's bland, but at least he's useful.

Because if he doesn't mean it, he's lost her for good. And he won't get Kara forever (even if she left Sam, there's no way in hell she'd ever be completely faithful to ANY man).

[identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com 2007-02-01 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
And he won't get Kara forever (even if she left Sam, there's no way in hell she'd ever be completely faithful to ANY man).


Kara's problem isn't faithfulness to men, it's faithfulness to self. she can't commit to anyone else when she can't even commit fully to Kara.