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lyssie ([personal profile] lyssie) wrote2005-09-08 07:12 pm

Gaaaaaa.

Damn, but Flesh and Bone still gets me every time.

There's just... Leoben owns that interrogation from step one, from minute one. And Kara has no idea, she's floundering. Roslin tells her she's lost perspective, but I don't think Roslin has enough perspective, either. Not until he grabs her.

And, dude. Now I want to write some sort of post-thingie where Roslin confronts Kara about the fact that she took his soul for him.


I'm a little more sanguine about Kara's mother, now. I'm still not fond of it, but it feels a little better, having watched F&B again.

Now, dude. Something that I want to know: Why has none of them gone, "Hey, wait. Why do the Cylons want us to go to Earth?" Because, clearly, they do. Leoben dangles Kobol at Kara, Sharon says the Cylons know their scriptures better--hell, the ONE ambush was fucking pathetic, and they got the arrow (Sharon says something about it to Helo, too, doesn't she?) without a huge amount of trouble (yes, there was the fight with Six, but odds are, Kara still would have gotten free).

Tangent: Maybe Six's grudge with Kara is less about Baltar and more because of Leoben's report on her? She hates the idea that a 'human' can be special in any way, and considers it not part of God's plan.

So, yes. Why the big push towards Earth? Are they just not thinking about the fact that the Cylons are basically leading them down the yellow brick road?

Or is the hubris of Adama and Roslin blinding them to this?

At least Roslin has to be considering this, somewhere. I mean, hell. A Cylon tells your interrogator you're going to find Kobol. Another one leads you to the fucking Tomb...

IS THERE ANY LOGIC IN THE HOUSE?

Thought not.

In other news, I plan on doing the newBSG: Kara Edition when I eventually get the dvds. It'll save me time fastforwarding through everyone else.

[identity profile] maddeinin.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just hoping they'll at least realize that they REALLY really can't go to Earth even if they fnd it, what with the human-looking cylons they must suspect to be hidden in the fleet.
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[personal profile] woodface 2005-09-09 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
The Cylons want to destroy and/or mate with everyone on Earth, but the scriptures say only humans can find it so they need Roslin to lead them as much as the fleet does!
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! Also, what do they think is going to happen: Earth is going to magically solve the Cylon problem?
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. They need the crazy president too, then. huh.

[identity profile] raffaella.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Why has none of them gone, "Hey, wait. Why do the Cylons want us to go to Earth?"

This is what pissed me off so much about the whole prophecy storyline. Man, when Roslin convinced Kara to go get the arrow, she even told her: "The cylon you interrogated told you that we would find Kobol, did he not?", like it was a good thing. I never, never understood why finding out that the cylons either knew their future or were herding them in a certain direction didn't freak them out. Any normal person's reaction would have been: "Huh. Not good. How about we run away in the opposite direction?", particularly when they found out that the cylons were waiting for them near Kobol.

This is when I started seriously disliking Roslin, and the fact that nobody brought that up is one of those huge incoherencies we're supposed to ignore. I hate reset buttons, but I wouldn't mind it if they forgot about the prophecy, because it hurts me that every time the cylons are all "we totally know your prophecies by heart", nobody remarks that it might be a bad idea to follow these prophecies. It makes everybody look stupid, and unlike Roslin, they don't have the excuse of being drugged to the gills.

Er, sorry about the rant.

That said, Flesh and Bone remains one of my favourite eps ever, it's so chilling and perfect.

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[personal profile] woodface 2005-09-09 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Yups. And then Leoben will try to convince Kara to become his queen.

[identity profile] raffaella.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Exact. Even with their map, they still have to wait 60 years, until they've tested everyone. See, it hurts me when there are obvious problems such as these and no one mentions them. Roslin is obsessed with finding Earth before she dies, but Adama, Tigh, Kara, Lee? At least one of them should point out that they need to make sure that there isn't a single cylon among them first, or they're possibly condemning Earth to destruction. If no one says it, they'll all look like they have the long-term thinking abilities of gnats. It's not good.

[identity profile] maddeinin.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. It's like they have two separate problems: find somewhere safe to live and get rid of the cylons. Only nowhere will be safe to live until they've gotten rid of all the cylons, after which they might as well go back to the Colonies, unless those are all nuked out.

[identity profile] raffaella.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Earth will be all:"Thank you for showing our location to the homicidal robots, idiots!" I hope that at least Gaeta or Cottle will point that out. They're practically my last hope. :)
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[personal profile] ilanala 2005-09-09 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
No, there's no logic, which is a big component of my Roslin rage. She doesn't even stop to consider that their could be a Cylon plot behind her visions and the Pythia thing and all of that. It would have to be a pretty elaborate plot, but those Cylons are awfully smart, and you'd think she could at least think about it for a moment.

And as other people mentioned, they can't go to Earth anyway as long as they've got Cylons with them. It's a big logic hole in the show's premise, and I'm not overly confident that they'll address it...

[identity profile] liminalliz.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
I REALLY REALLY REALLY love your thoughts on this and MUST return to discuss. OMG. You are awesome. Leoben is teh sex and I'm all about Six's jealousy over Boomer and Kara being more L33+ than her. Yes.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Ranting is fine. I like ranting. And I had a nice long comment written out to reply to you, and it got eaten.

I think it was me agreeing with you, basically.

Sigh.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
And I get that people are, y'know, human, and make mistake. But unless they're going to say Adama is an incompetent, and always has been, there has to be someone who's thinking about this. Sigh.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! I need to poke at more things. Yes.

[identity profile] livilla.livejournal.com 2005-09-09 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
*doesn't really care about leaps of logic because she could watch Mary McDonnell read a dictionary and still squee over it*

Yeah, it's fun inside my head...