random thought about 6x1&2

[lyssie]

er, cut for spoilers to be safe (this is not earth-shattering or anything)

Smug.

If Canton Edward had been a woman, would fandom's reaction have been this mountain of squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee over her?

Somehow, I doubt it. Somehow, given the character traits he shares with River (being smug, knowing more than everyone--if only for a short time, fucking shooting things, jesus fucking christ), I'm pretty sure a woman would have been called 'flat, uninteresting, boring, another in a long line of Moffat's failed female characters'.

And I desperately want the Moff to fucking troll fandom and create a bunch of female characters similar to Canton. I'm sure fandom as a whole will miss the obvious, and never actually fucking get how sexist they're being as they decry the new crop of Mary Sues.

Comments

[lilacsigil.livejournal.com]

I hope that at least there would have been some squee over female Canton (who I am now naming Cantina) wanting to marry another woman. I really hope.

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

I'm so glad I basically ignore Who fandom. O_o

[scalderwood.livejournal.com]

Preach it!

(I wasn't aware that there was an uproar over Moff's female characters, but then my only connection to Who fandom these days is my very tiny flist.)

[havocthecat]

I'm so tired of this idea that Moffat can't create decent female characters, when there are A BUNCH OF AWESOME ONES out there. That, yes, he created. (I am not saying they are immune to critique. I'm just tired of people declaring that Moffat's female characters are so misogynistic, especially when said people usually don't bother to critique the female characters that RTD created.)

Apparently declaring attachment to someone in a shippy sort of way is sexist?

Also, because I forgot to answer:

If Canton Edward had been a woman, would fandom's reaction have been this mountain of squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee over her?

Please. They'd have hated her. They would have presumed she wanted to marry a black man or a Communist, and then, when they found out she wanted to marry a black woman, they'd have hated her even more. Because she'd be so super Mary Sue-ish, just because she was a confident lesbian in a historical era.

I'm presuming femslashers would've been all over her, by and large, because, duh. And now I'm desperately wanting Jaime Murray on Who. She doesn't have to play H.G. Wells again, even though that would be awesome.

[nicole-anell.livejournal.com]

I will never understand sci-fi fandom's collective hard-on for Mark Sheppard.

Edit: Also, once again I'm glad my exposure to Doctor Who fandom is limited to MY FLIST THAT IS AWESOME, because I can't even conceive of people who call River a Mary Sue. How exactly does one stand out as a Mary Sue on Doctor Who? (Besides having, you know, breasts.) Every character is, by default, extraordinarily Awesome.

[ellestra.livejournal.com]

I'm sure you're right. Sometimes I feel like fansom thinks any and all female characters are Mary Sues. And noone is ever happy. It's the endless complaining - too young, too old, too pretty, not pretty enough, too naive, overconfident and so on. All Mary Sues. And annoying.

I liked Canton but I generally like Mark Sheppard and his characters, especially the ambiguous ones and they played right into it at the beginning of second episode. Still I love River more. And I loved all Moffat's female characters so far and I hope he will make more. Recurring. Till fandom just collapses from massive stroke.

It also reminds me of the comparisons between Jack and River and the fandom reaction to them. The whole thing almost made me feel weird for liking both.

Although I think fandom liked Sally Sparrow but I may misremember. Too bad she won't come back.

[mfirefly10.livejournal.com]

If Canton Edward had been a woman, would fandom's reaction have been this mountain of squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee over her?

PLEASE. The fandom would've LOATHED her. I mean, she would've KNOWN STUFF and BEEN CLEVER and 'OMG, did she just FLIRT with the Doctor?!' = 'MARY SUE, I say. Isn't it obvious?!'


As I just said on havocthecat's entry, I wish we could just wipe the term 'Mary Sue' from fandom 'cause it's just one more way for people to bash any female character they don't like.

[bluediamond421.livejournal.com]

*is too distracted by the happy image of W13's H.G. Wells meeting the Doctor et al.*

(oh, and I just remembered, about what you said, if that happens you can always ship River Song with Donna instead, they met too)

[cosmic.livejournal.com]

It always surprises me when I hear that there are people in fandom who don't think that River is awesome. Because clearly she's awesome.

Ugh, fandom is stupid. I saw a thing which said that Canton being revealed as a gay was homophobic because it's a joke at the end, and another thing about how Moffat's clear sexism is totally clear and sexist because, I don't know, River and Amy were hot while River was using a gun and Amy was doing things or something. It was stupid. There was also something about how the Doctor's a murder-y jerk who gets all those poor helpless aliens killed.

Whatevs, fandom. Whatevs.

I handwave all that and instead watch the scene where River twirly-shoots bad guys again.