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Fic Research: Pirates of the Carribbean
I have no idea if I spelled that right. But I have some questions on certain... things, from POTC3. Which means this will contain spoilers.
As far as I can tell, the rules for the Captain of the Flying Dutchman go something like the following:
1. Can't leave the sea--however, can leave the Dutchman, as long as s/he is transferring to another ship, going for a swim, or using a bucket of sea water to walk on land.
2. Original pact was: ten years' service, and at the end, if the beloved remained true and faithful, the Captain was set free--which begs the question, how do they find the next Captain, or is it just a matter of promoting someone from the crew--except, of course, none of the crew has long lost loves (or do they) waiting to redeem them, which means they get stuck forever as Captain (or until such time as someone defeats them?)
3. Davy got frakked because Tia left him at the altar (so to speak), and then he screwed her over which.... I think, is what caused the barnacle-face problem.
Other things:
4. Mortals can't survive for a very long time on the FD, though, iirc, Norrington and his men did, because they were there, guarding the heart. So, is there a sliding scale? Do you have to be a little evil to survive the taint of the FD?
5. Oh! The Captain of the Dutchman's duty is to ferry the souls of those who died at sea to the Underworld. I imagine this takes up quite a bit of time, making it difficult to finagle time off.
6. Related to #2 - is it the job of the Captain to find their own replacement (how morbid), or is that Tia's job, or no one's job (but Fate and/or Destiny, who are lousy searchers and frequently wander off to play pool with the Cylon God and Lister...)?
Hrm. Think that's it.
As far as I can tell, the rules for the Captain of the Flying Dutchman go something like the following:
1. Can't leave the sea--however, can leave the Dutchman, as long as s/he is transferring to another ship, going for a swim, or using a bucket of sea water to walk on land.
2. Original pact was: ten years' service, and at the end, if the beloved remained true and faithful, the Captain was set free--which begs the question, how do they find the next Captain, or is it just a matter of promoting someone from the crew--except, of course, none of the crew has long lost loves (or do they) waiting to redeem them, which means they get stuck forever as Captain (or until such time as someone defeats them?)
3. Davy got frakked because Tia left him at the altar (so to speak), and then he screwed her over which.... I think, is what caused the barnacle-face problem.
Other things:
4. Mortals can't survive for a very long time on the FD, though, iirc, Norrington and his men did, because they were there, guarding the heart. So, is there a sliding scale? Do you have to be a little evil to survive the taint of the FD?
5. Oh! The Captain of the Dutchman's duty is to ferry the souls of those who died at sea to the Underworld. I imagine this takes up quite a bit of time, making it difficult to finagle time off.
6. Related to #2 - is it the job of the Captain to find their own replacement (how morbid), or is that Tia's job, or no one's job (but Fate and/or Destiny, who are lousy searchers and frequently wander off to play pool with the Cylon God and Lister...)?
Hrm. Think that's it.
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2. Erm, sounds good to me. *unsure*
3. Yeah. I think the barnacleface was his own doing rather than something to do with breaking the deal. He became so hateful and whatnot he started to become less and less human and what he does affects his crew, so.
4. I don't really remember anything about mortals dying on the Dutchman, unless something was said in DMC? I think the only problem posed to mortals would be when the Dutchman goes under water.
5. Yeah. Well, then again, how many people die at sea? Especially back then.
6. Don't know. It's never really stated whether Tia Dalma created the Flying Dutchman job or if it was there all along.
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1. Yes. and yes, and yes, and yes, and ... maybe.
2. maybe. "the set free" part is the source of some wankage, for that actually comes only from screenwriter statements. As some people will be sure to point out, the movie implies that service is forever or until the heart is stabbed, whichever is first. I say that's crap, because there's no point to whether Tia was faithful or not, if he wouldn't be set free by it. But that's the prevailing attitude on what is canon and what is not.
3. Davy was pissed when Tia wasn't there. he cut out his heart so he wouldn't feel pain and then helped imprison her. His squidness was caused by not carrying out the duties of the Dutchman's captain as he should (and she was pissed all around). But the fact that he cut out his heart -- and he was the first one to do it apparently = means that I honestly don't believe Bootstrap had any fucking clue what he was talking about, about how the curse operates (because, hello, first time!), but many people take his words as gospel.
4. I think the issue of the mortals is becuase Davy wasn't actually GOING to the underworld, so mortals (including Will when he was aboard in DMC) were okay. They never actually crossed over. But Will being the dude who will actually do the duty, Elizabeth could not go with. (says Boostrap, the aforementioned may-not-know-what-the-frak-he's talking about guy)
5. Yes, probably. though probably more than one day every ten frakking years (though that is admittedly my own shipping preferences showing)
6. Nobody knows. Though given that "Destiny" found Will, She presumably would help in picking the next one...
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2. I'd guess they draft somebody.
3. Forum stuff here. Tia Dalma didn't show up for Davy, true. (I don't know for sure if that automatically made it eternal or if she could've met him after twenty years or a hundred years and had it count, although the screenwriters did state that if he'd managed to find a new true love during his one day off he could've been freed at the next ten-year stop.) I think his barnacle-face problem was supposed to be the result of abandoning his duty (which you mention in #5) to ferry the dead. Helping the pirate lords bind Tia Dalma actually may not have gotten him into any extra immediate trouble.
4. I thought they had taken the chest containing the heart and moved it onto a different ship. I could be mistaken here, especially since I seem to recall Davy complaining when they moved it closer to him. Possibly mortals are okay on the FD when it's not going into the otherworld? I think being in the otherworld even in a normal ship was supposed to be problematic, and not just because of the cold.
5. Yeah, I would imagine so.
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I am so helpful.
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2. No. The Ferryman is from Egyptian/Greek mythology and transports the souls of the dead from the gates of the underworld, across the River Styx to the afterlife where all is forgotten. This myth has more or less by subsumed into PotC. This suggests there has always been a Ferryman and Calypso, the goddess of the sea, merely hijacked the position to acquire a mortal lover who would not die. She tested his loyalty to her with the ten year pact, but broke the contract due to her own fickle nature (the sea is a fickle mistress). After ten years, had both kept their ends of the bargain, Davy would have been free to remain the Ferryman and Calypso's lover, or return to mortal life, age and die.
3. The Ferryman is bound to the sea (goddess). His role as the demi-god permitted him a degree of autonomy while the ship attempted to subsume him ever more fiercely into returning to his duty. The harder he pulled away - the harder it pulled him back to the sea.
4. You have to be formally admitted as crew, either through swearing allegiance to Davy Jones and becoming undead or given permission. Furthermore, the ship travels to the Underworld by teleporting. Davy merely short-cutted through the Locker.
5. We are shown during the journey to the Locker that the souls travel at night. We are also told that day and night are reversed between the Underworld and Moral World. In the absence of counter-evidence, the captain would be free to surface during mortal night - as a proverbial ghost ship - if he wished.
6. I suspect it's a combination, wherein an unsettled soul may be ideally suited to assume the duties, freeing the former captain to return to mortal life if his initial indenture has been served, or die if it has not (or there was no bargain).
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1) Yes, can't set foot on land, as in literally, but I don't think that he is confined to the Dutchman in any way. I think you are right in your assessment of what he can do on that level. I am really curious as to what would happen if Will tried to step on land? A physical reaction, such as pain, or would be simply vanish and reappear on the Dutchman?
2) This is interesting as people have mentioned above. The writers have insisted that after the 10 years as long as Lizzie is faithful that Will is free of the Curse. This was cut from the movie and that is how it was always meant to be and what the return in the post-credits scene implies. But my question is what exactly does that mean? Is Will no longer the Captain of the Dutchman or that he is no longer bound by the restriction on setting foot on land? Afterall Will is dead, so what this implies is left vague. The original curse was that Davy Jones could not set foot on land, until he found a faithful love. Only the Captain is affected. The rest of the crew are not bound by that curse. My take on it is that Will is free of the Curse, but still a supernatural entity
3) I took it that the tentecles/barnecles were a result of the fact that he failed in his Duty to guide the souls of the dead. The reason Will was not all tentecally(? is that a real word) was because Will was true to his Duty.
4) I am not sure whether the Dutchman itself is a problem for mortals, or the fact that most of the time it is in the Otherworld
5) Define TIME in the Otherworld, does it run at the same pace as in our world, or is it like the Land of the Sidhe?
6) I have always taken it that Destiny chooses the Captain. Tia Dalma does not. My take is that Will was always meant to be the Captain. Other forces were at work. Hence his miraculous ability to always survive ship-wrecks!
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Otherwise, we've got the exact problems that so many viewers have noticed: What happens after ten years? How do you select the next captain? What if there's no one waiting for him to "break the curse" with his/her "fidelity"? Frankly, the writers flubbed that point. Logically, the curse is broken when the terms of indenture have been served; I think they forgot to look up what "fidelity" actually means. As a result, the marriage got swept into the mix when it's technically irrelevant.
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*falls over, laughing very very hard*
Thank you. More food for thought. *eg*